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Date:      Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:56:57 +0100
From:      Erik Norgaard <norgaard@locolomo.org>
To:        J65nko BSD <j65nko@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: IPSec without AH
Message-ID:  <41F3D759.4080400@locolomo.org>
In-Reply-To: <19861fba05012308005d38fe04@mail.gmail.com>
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J65nko BSD wrote:
>>Ofcourse, it requires access to the (public?) keys to create valid
>>encrypted packets. Hence, if the public key is kept as a shared secret
>>among the authorized users, one could assume that ESP packets are
>>authenticated/trusted.
>>
>>This is my idea, discard AH, rely on ESP and assume that anyone capable
>>of producing decryptable packets must have access to the pre-shared
>>secret "public" key and hence authorized.
> 
> Your are not the first to have this idea. The authors of "Secure
> Architectures with OpenBSD" already published this ;)

Dang! Why do someone always steal my ideas before I get them?

>>AH would work, if both ends were NATaware, such that the rigth src/dst
>>ip could be inserted in the header before checking. It just occured to
>>me that maybe this could be done by adding yet another IP/IP tunnel?
> 
> OpenBSD 3.6 supports NAT traversal. From http://openbsd.org/36.html:
> 
> "isakmpd(8) now supports NAT-traversal and Dead Peer Detection (RFC 3706)."
> Don't know how ling it would take to before this is supported by FreeBSD ;)

Interesting, I'll take a look at that - thanks.

Erik

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