Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:32:32 -0600 From: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), cjclark@home.com, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca (Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group), dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon), freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump(8) Insecurity/Misconfiguration Message-ID: <199909271932.NAA11712@mt.sri.com> In-Reply-To: <199909271923.MAA13029@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <199909271903.NAA11566@mt.sri.com> <199909271923.MAA13029@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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> > [ Rod, you *really* need to get out more ] > > What, I spent 5 hours yesterday cleaning the side yard at the shop, is > that ``out'' enough for you :-) :-) :-) No, cause it's work related. Go jump out of a plane or something. :) [ Rod asserts that using SSH for backups is a revenue-generating task, and as such violates the 'free' use of the SSH license. ] > I'll bet you dollars to a dog turd that the SSH licensor considers this > a licensable situation. I've got the dog turd, so the bet is on. >>> You may also find that the license fee is quite low for what you >>> want to do. >> >> NOT! > Then it is even more likely to be outside of the scope of the shareware > license. It's not a shareware license, or even close to one. It basically says that if you make money from using this product (not, if you make money *AND* use this product), then you must pay for it. The amount of money you pay is not dependant on how much money you make, it's a fixed fee based on the the number of 'machines' it's installed on. (Last I bought the commercial product, it was $2K/CPU, but that was a couple of years ago.) We pay this, but it's because we needed some additional features that the commercial version had. I could have hacked the code myself, but that assumed I could do it less than 40 hours, and I doubt I could have it done/tested/documented in that amount of time, hence we just bought it for the one box that needed the feature. The other boxes all run the 'free' version. However, $2K/seat is alot of money for an ISP to charge for something as trivial as backups, especially when minimum cost is $4K (one for the tape server, and one for the remote client). It's simply not worth it, IMO. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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