Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:10:43 +1100 From: "Andrew Reilly" <areilly@nsw.bigpond.net.au> To: Dennis <dennis@etinc.com> Cc: Joe Abley <jabley@patho.gen.nz>, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory... Message-ID: <20000313081043.B90430@gurney.reilly.home> In-Reply-To: <200003122042.PAA00896@etinc.com> References: <200003122012.PAA00812@etinc.com> <20000312083736.A27614@patho.gen.nz> <200003101840.NAA12885@etinc.com> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10003111306520.14049-100000@bsd1.nyct.net> <200003111841.NAA17534@etinc.com> <20000312083736.A27614@patho.gen.nz> <20000312193205.W68308@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <200003122012.PAA00812@etinc.com> <20000313091940.B18713@patho.gen.nz> <200003122042.PAA00896@etinc.com>
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On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 04:14:34AM -0500, Dennis wrote: > At 09:19 AM 3/13/00 +1300, Joe Abley wrote: > >I have yet to find a "real product" with good documentation. > > I hate when these discussions get so out of context. The original point > regarded source code, and whether it was useful enough to allow end-users > to maintain their own systems simply by having it, since many of the > caveats and "code tricks" are known only to the authors, or because of the > substantial learning curve of fully understanding a hardware device. Well, I've been able to get several problems "fixed" as a result of having the source code. I might not be able to fix the problem myself, but I can usually (a) work around it and (b) submit a detailed-enough PR or message to the author, including a pointer to the problem piece of code and what I think's wrong with it, that a fix has been installed in very short order. How much better would I have fared with Solaris, SCO or NT? What does it matter if there are users that can't derive even this level of utility from the source, when there _arent_ any better alternatives. Again, your complaint has no positive arguments for ways to improve the situation, or alternative scenarios that would be better. It is just an unhelpful whinge. -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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