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Date:      Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:15:04 -0400
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>
Cc:        kan@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, Scot Hetzel <swhetzel@gmail.com>, obrien@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Subject:   Re: libstdc++ version bump.
Message-ID:  <20050629171504.GB46153@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050629133634.GN40423@elvis.mu.org>
References:  <20050628154627.GJ40423@elvis.mu.org> <790a9fff05062809211c27a435@mail.gmail.com> <20050628164703.GK40423@elvis.mu.org> <20050629045711.GA1007@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050629133634.GN40423@elvis.mu.org>

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 06:36:34AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> [050628 21:57] wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 09:47:03AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > > No, it's not that.  It's just that when we decided to upgrade gcc/g++
> > > in the 5.2.1 era someone didn't bump the library version for
> > > libstdc++.
> > >=20
> > > It would have been a two second change, but instead it appears that
> > > it was decided that early adopters REALLY needed to be put in their
> > > place for being stupid enough... to be early adopters.
> >=20
> > No, it wasn't that simple..there were many places where the ABI was
> > broken, and it wasn't feasible to fix them all.
>=20
> "So instead of screwing a subset of the users we screwed them all."
>=20
> I'm not really happy that mindset but if it's working for us(*) then
> I guess we should keep doing it.
>=20
> (*) not me, as I always seem to get hosed by these things.

Maybe you could tune in to the discussions next time instead of
waiting for a year before raising your voice...it's not like they were
secret.

Kris

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