Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:42:45 +0200 From: Bram Moolenaar <Bram@moolenaar.net> To: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> Cc: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Avoiding upgrade to xorg 7.2 Message-ID: <200706140942.l5E9gjFD024897@moolenaar.net> In-Reply-To: <20070613212328.GA57218@rot13.obsecurity.org>
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Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:23:01PM +0200, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > > Mark Linimon wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:08:30PM +0200, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > > A variable that means "stick to 6.9" would be very nice. But I have a > > > > problem with the "(or whatever we called it)" bit. Looking in the > > > > /usr/ports/Mk directory I can't find something that looks like > > > > PRE_XORG7. So what is it called? > > > > > > >From http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk: > > > > > > "CVS tags: PRE_XORG_7" > > > > > > So, it's not a variable, it's a CVS tag. You will need to revert your > > > entire ports tree to that date, if that's what you want to do. > > > > > > The testing and integration of xorg7.2 strained our resources. There > > > was no way we had enough time/people/resources to do the testing with > > > a switch that could be thrown either way. Sorry. > > > > Hey, I'm sure you work very hard to make it all work. I appreciate that > > very much. > > > > My problem is that for people who don't know exactly how the ports > > system works and don't keep track of messages in CVS logs or maillists > > it has become very difficult to use the ports system. It's almost as if > > it's only for a small group of people who keep their secrets away from > > casual users. I know this isn't so, but that's what it looks like from > > the outside. > > > > My main complaint is that the dependencies are not working properly. So > > I have xorg 6.9. If I upgrade some port that works just fine with xorg > > 6.9 there should not be a dependency on xorg 7.2. This is a generic > > problem with the ports system, it appears. > > It's never been supported to mix and match random old versions of > ports with new ones. This is a bug in your expectation of how ports > should work. So I should expect that when I want to include a bugfix in one port I need to rebuild just about every port that I have installed? No, I don't expect that! Come on, I have worked on port/build/install systems myself, I know very well what is possible. The FreeBSD port system just appears to be very picky about dependencies, something that should be fixed eventually. Please admit that this is a missing feature, don't pretend the port system is perfect. And never tell the user he is wrong. > > Now I still don't know how to use or set a CVS tag for cvsup... > > We have excellent documentation on this and other relevant topics. I > suggest you take the opportunity to increase your knowledge. Somehow you manage to hide this excellent documentation so that I can't find it. Teasing me by telling me it exists and that it's my fault that I didn't read it completely sucks. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 238. You think faxes are old-fashioned. /// Bram Moolenaar -- Bram@Moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ /// sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\ download, build and distribute -- http://www.A-A-P.org /// \\\ help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org ///help
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