Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:37:08 -0800 From: Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> To: Justin Hibbits <chmeeedalf@gmail.com> Cc: Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.net>, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su> Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <20200131203708.e5q3rij53jzr4req@sea-ll-10936> In-Reply-To: <20200130112932.46ccb9fe@titan.knownspace> References: <CAPyFy2BP3hFHuFJyo2M-5pc0%2BCmRiyym1TZ81P5xicR4zED1JQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo%2BGOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi%2BTdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com> <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> <D140BA2A-71F3-4574-9015-675950705AF2@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <78425.1580332298@critter.freebsd.dk> <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net> <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> <B1F155C4-5C20-4E33-9420-DF7D67253083@gid.co.uk> <20200130112932.46ccb9fe@titan.knownspace>
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On 2020-01-30 11:29, Justin Hibbits wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:37 +0000 > Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > On 29 Jan 2020, at 21:36, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> > > > wrote: > > > > > > -------- > > > In message > > > <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net>, > > > Emmanuel Vadot writes: > > >>> RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in > > >>> particular for educators. > > >> > > >> In what way ? > > >> Real answer only. > > > > > > 1. Schools can get them through their usual suppliers of educational > > > material, with a pretty decent discount, and with educational > > > courses and materials, pretty much ready to go. > > > > > > 2. Most "maker-space" atuned electronics pushers carry them. > > > > > > 3. Big electronics pushers carry them. > > > > > > In re 1-3: No customs processing of shipment involved. > > > > > > 4. Cost, including shipping is below "trivial" threshold in most > > > organizations. > > > > RPi zero in particular is cheap enough to treat as a component. > > This is probably the most compelling argument on this thread for > finding someone with somewhat deep pockets to get involved. Broadcom > won't listen to educators, hackers, or hobbyists, they'll only listen to > large piles of money. Someone (company) needs to be in a position to > tell Broadcom "Hey, we want to use the RPi Zero (or the SoC in it) in > our product, running FreeBSD. Help us out." Otherwise, they ignore us > at no peril to them. > > Saying "We ignore it at our peril" makes great rhetoric, but it's not > at all actionable. Without usable documentation, there's no way anyone > would do the work needed. A good alternative to RPi are Pine64 devices. Same price level, open hardware, specs (apart from broadcom wifi), and the company is very interested in growing BSD support https://www.pine64.org/ ---- Ihor Antonov
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