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Date:      Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:10:01 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com>
Cc:        Riccardo Veraldi <riccardo@righi.ml.org>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HOW to format ?
Message-ID:  <19990219131001.B22647@lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <36CCCADE.E2A39877@3-cities.com>; from Kent Stewart on Thu, Feb 18, 1999 at 06:22:22PM -0800
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9501011021560.649-100000@righi.ml.org> <36CC3F61.91EB4912@3-cities.com> <19990219082520.N14890@lemis.com> <36CCCADE.E2A39877@3-cities.com>

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On Thursday, 18 February 1999 at 18:22:22 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote:
> Greg Lehey wrote:
>> Formatting involves a whole lot more than writing zeros to the disk.
>> It writes the sector headers as well, and the pattern that it writes
>> is designed to be relatively difficult to read, so that the
>> verification pass can catch flaky sectors.
>
> My bios'es (Award and Phoenix on 5 different computers) don't support IDE
> formating. I had a couple of ancient systems that did but nothing dated
> after 1996, which is my oldest bios. The "write zeros" is the menu option
> used to start a low level format in the WD utility program. In addition,
> WDDiag does a disk scan when it finishes, which can involve mapping
> replacement sectors into the sequence and giving you a full set. It is much
> more involved than anything provided via the bios.

OK, I can't see your BIOS, and it's possible that they don't provide
the function, but writing zeros is not formatting.

>> You almost never need to reformat a disk.  This is a Microsoftism.
>> FreeBSD reports disk I/O errors, so you should know when a format is
>> needed.
>
> This part isn't always true from my experience. If I write a FreeBSD MBR to
> any of my Western Digital Caviar Drives with SMART, the system will not boot
> past the first HD test after finishing counting memory. In order to recover
> the drive, I had remove it from the bios and then boot from the floppy. I
> could then use WDDiag to low level format the drive using the appropriate
> I/O port (0x1f0 or 0x170) and offset.

Sure, low-level formatting will remove the MBR.  You can also use it
for deleting files: it does quite a good job, but it's rather
non-specific.  In this case, for example, you also removed your
FreeBSD partition.  To repeat: you almost never need to reformat a
disk.  In this case you seem to have geometry problems which you could
fix by writing a correct MBR and without losing the rest of the data
on the disk.

> Next, you add the drive back into the bios and boot from the DOS
> floppy again. At this point you can "fdisk /mbr" and have a working
> drive that will not hang my system.

Are you saying that Microsoft's FDISK won't write an MBR unless you
first low-level format it?  That hasn't been my experience, but it
does tend to prove my claim that it's a Microsoftism.  In any case, to
overwrite the MBR you can use dd and save your file systems.  You
don't need to format, and formatting is detrimental.

Greg
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