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Date:      Wed, 03 May 2000 00:21:01 -0400
From:      "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
To:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
Cc:        Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com>, Ryan Thompson <ryan@sasknow.com>, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Max T1. Throughput? 
Message-ID:  <200005030421.AAA27877@whizzo.transsys.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 May 2000 00:36:45 MDT." <390E777D.FBBFBC6D@softweyr.com> 
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0004241805280.42785-100000@ren.sasknow.com>  <3908C23B.177C942D@softweyr.com> <20000427184630.B40387@jade.chc-chimes.com>  <390E777D.FBBFBC6D@softweyr.com>

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> Bill Fumerola wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 04:42:03PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote:
> > 
> > > You should also note that DSL and T1 have nothing to do with each other.
> > 
> > Ameritech recently delivered a DS-1 to a friend of mine in the form of DSL
> > to his location and a device to give a ds-1 signal through the DSL.
> > 
> > TELCO ----DSL---> MAGIC-DEVICE ---DS-1--> DS1 equipment
> > 
> > The magic device was actually at his house.
> 
> That magic device would be a... switch!  I can show you how to do the
> same with Frame Relay, ATM of any flavor, Ethernet at 10/100/1000 mbps,
> Token Ring at 4 and 16 mbps, FDDI, CDDI, and just about anything else
> you'd care to name, all in the same chassis.

Nope, not in the case cited.  It's become very popular for a local
exchange carrier to provision a T-1 service (e.g, the framing, etc.)
by using HDSL loop technology because it required fewer repeaters,
is less demanding on binder group selection, and coexists with more
services in a cable binder group than a normal T-1 does.  I have
just such a device screwed to the wall in my house, with an 2-pair
HDSL connection coming in one end, and a T-1 signal coming out the
other that plugs into a Cisco 2524 with built in CSU/DSU.

> Repeat after me: DSL is ATM over copper wire.  Nothing more, nothing
> less, nothing magic.

Yes, commonly ADSL services are provisioned simply to do ATM cell 
transport.  Many SDSL services are provisioned to carry Frame Relay
packets, rather than cells; if it's a Copper Mountain DSLAM, you
can depend on it.

louie




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