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Date:      Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:40:05 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Attila Nagy <bra@fsn.hu>, Tomas Svensson <tsn@gbdev.net>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: sendfile() in tftpd?
Message-ID:  <15557.43653.372778.443036@caddis.yogotech.com>
In-Reply-To: <3CC5A999.A1A4D313@mindspring.com>
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> > Going to TCP soon assumes that you have a lossless medium in order to
> > transmit packets over.  If you're using a lossy medium, TFTP (and other
> > UDP based protocols) can kick their butt because of TCP's assumption
> > that packet loss is a function of congestion, which is often not the
> > case in lossy mediums such as wireless. :(
> 
> THat's true.  I can't really think of an example of such a
> medium, though, that you would still trust to netboot something.
> 8-).
> 
> Maybe 802.11b.  8-(.

Exactly!  Or, something that boots remotely over satellite (for easier
maintenance).

> The specific problem here is that "UDP is ``too slow''"; it looks
> like a classic "Doctor, it hurts when I do this...".  8-) 8-).

Actually, UDP is actually *faster* than TCP in these sorts of
environments, if you know what you are doing. :) :) :) :)

Overhead during a demo of my former company was demo'ing a product to a
client, while the client was talking to our competitor.

'Hmm, how come your product doesn't do anything, when their product
seems to be working fine here.....'.



Nate

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