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Date:      Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:57:03 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.freebsd.org>, Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@galileo.edu>, Anthony Schneider <aschneid@mail.slc.edu>, Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1019955884.8b118e@mired.org>, hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Security through obscurity? (was: ssh + compiled-in SKEY support considered harmful?)
Message-ID:  <20020425115703.A79657@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <3CC6860B.17F10FBA@mindspring.com>
References:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1020423234154.64976o-100000@fledge.watson.org> <3CC6860B.17F10FBA@mindspring.com>

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On Wednesday, 24 April 2002 at  3:16:43 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
>
> The X11 we are talking about here is not "the default X11", which is
> a set of distfiles, but a "ports" X11, which is not, but which is
> likely to be the basis of future distfiles.

Correct.

> So we are really talking about an alternate set of code to provide
> or not provide the TCP "X11 display service".

More to the point, we're telling people that this is XFree86, a
platform-independent package which we also supply.  But it's not quite
XFree86 because we've modified it.  The modification in this case is
very small but very far-reaching, and a newcomer would suspect the
operating system, not XFree86, when he has problems.

> The thing that offended the hell out of everyone way that the
> decision was made for the future distfiles release (which is used by
> practically everyone) by sneaking it in the ports back door (which
> is used by practically no one), which, when viewed disparagingly,
> looks like an attempt to "pull a fast one".

Hmm.  No, I for one wasn't "offended the hell".  And I really don't
see any malice here: it was done with the best of intentions, but I
think without a proper understanding of the consequences.

Greg
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