Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:49:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Cc: rkw@dataplex.net, imp@village.org, current@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: install on {Net,Open}BSD vs install on FreeBSD
Message-ID: <199609251349.IAA07928@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
In-Reply-To: <8491.843618443@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Sep 24, 96 07:27:23 pm
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> which may actually fix the problem) whereas I expect this `install -d' > thread to go on over at least 5 or 6 more messages, possibly twice > that many. An outright panic raises hardly an eyebrow, but an extra > FLAG, well, it's a drop-everything-and-race-to-the-email crisis! :-) > > If that doesn't say something about sociology, I don't know what does. Perhaps you misunderstand it, then... When you propose a change that has both pros and cons associated with it, there is merit to discussing the pros and cons, the architectural and philosophical issues behind it, and all that crap. This is part of how you reach a goal that some people call "excellence in engineering", but it is just as easy to say that we are trying to make up our collective minds as to what the best course of action is, when no strictly "correct" course of action is available. I think that everyone would clearly agree that a panic which causes a system death is a bad thing... and therefore is very little to discuss, except perhaps between the people experiencing the problem, and whoever the FreeBSD NFS gods are. It is really a good thing that issues get examined from a number of sides by people with different specialties and backgrounds before changes are made. Does it get a bit extreme at times? Yes. Is that bad? Only if no general consensus is reached. Me, personally, I tend to argue for 1) backwards compatibility, 2) general usability, and 3) portability in these sorts of discussions. That is a reflection of the fact that I work in a heterogeneous environment and try to keep my operations as similar as possible across multiple platforms. I hate having to twiddle with something due to a gratuitous difference (a basis on which I would argue for "-d"), or worse yet, a gratuitous change (as you may remember). I would hate to see FreeBSD change substantially in this regard. It would invariably change for the worse if everyone just started Doing Their Own Thing. On the other hand, it would be nice if a conclusion could be reached more quickly. ;-) ... JGhelp
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