Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:55 -0400 From: "A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman)" <nanoman@nanoman.ca> To: Jeremy Messenger <mezz.freebsd@gmail.com> Cc: gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANT_GNOME Causes Automatic Dependencies Message-ID: <20120831182955.GA38282@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> In-Reply-To: <CADLFttfbkuPNRgUwGxkgj8rpHXgy67grDqod0vePi5sEt0cJPw@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120830182257.GC31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> <CADLFttdJn4LcY1xzxt6VmT4364aZoBcqakuttf4hd37RW3i4tg@mail.gmail.com> <20120830214321.GD31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> <CADLFttdT8-qZeu32RmKs0gMWH_ukbEyyk2zojnyC7G4fRDc6=w@mail.gmail.com> <20120831032033.GE31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> <CADLFttfbkuPNRgUwGxkgj8rpHXgy67grDqod0vePi5sEt0cJPw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jeremy Messenger wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:20 PM, A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman)
><nanoman@nanoman.ca> wrote:
><snip>
>> Does anyone maintain a dependencies map for GNOME?
>
>Not that I know of. Speaking of dependencies... Since the GNOME 2 is
>dead already. I think it's good time for us to remove the GNOME 2
>dependencies option in some of ports. For example, editors/vim has
>GNOME2 option so remove that part.
Sounds good to me! My knowledge of MATE is very limited, so I'm not sure w=
hat can be removed outright versus what needs a replacement. Let's conside=
r these six consecutive lines from editors/vim/Makefile:
1. '. elif defined(WITH_GNOME2)'. This would have to be converted to OPTI=
ONSng, and I'm guessing the idea is to replace "GNOME2" with "MATE".
2. 'USE_GNOME=3D libgnomeui'. I don't know if there's a libgnomeui equival=
ent in MATE.
3. 'PKGNAMESUFFIX=3D -gnome2'. This can go. It's my understanding that th=
is package naming convention is being phased out.
4. 'MAKE_ARGS+=3D CONF_OPT_GUI=3D"--enable-gui=3Dgnome2" ${I18N}'. Does "g=
nome2" get changed to "mate"? I don't use Vim, so I don't know, but it's e=
asy enough for me to check.
5. 'MAKE_ARGS+=3D X_LIBS=3D"$(X_LIBS) -lXt"'. I'm guessing that this will =
have to stay.
6. 'USE_XORG+=3D xt glproto'. I'm guessing that this will have to stay too.
[...]
>> I'm not opposed to writing patches that will make the WANT_GNOME ports
>> declare their dependencies predictably. There are approximately 183 por=
ts
>> using WANT_GNOME, so writing these patches is going to take me several d=
ays,
>> followed by weeks of waiting for maintainer updates. I might be able to=
get
>> through this faster by asking the maintainers to assist me, but I expect=
to
>> have to do most on my own.
[...]
>Who said that you have to do it alone? :-) If you want to do it as
>soon as possible. You can gather a team to hunt down those ports then
>give a big patch to portmgr to do the test in pointyhat-exp. When
>everything is perfect then commit it into ports tree with portmgr's
>approval without need to ask each maintainers. You have my support and
>approval to mess around with gnome@ ports. Show portmgr about this
>email threads.
>
>If you can wait then I (and maybe kwm) will be able to help you with
>it. We have enough stuff on our plates right now by trying to push
>GNOME 3 into ports tree after the 9.1 released.
I don't mind waiting a bit longer, but I'd like to end 2012 feeling blissfu=
lly free of the scourge of automatic dependencies.
>FreeBSD GNOME Team only have two active people, kwm and me, that are
>maintaining about over 460 ports (plus GNOME 3 and MATE ports that are
>yet to commit). We need new blood to join gnome@.
Is there a central place for tracking all of the FreeBSD GNOME/MATE project=
s and to-do lists? I assumed this would be in the FreeBSD Wiki, but the GN=
OME page looks a little outdated, and I don't see a page for MATE.
http://wiki.freebsd.org/Gnome
I would indeed like to gather a team to weed out WANT_GNOME and the automat=
ic dependencies this causes. To do this effectively, I'd need something li=
ke the FreeBSD Wiki to track these issues. Included here would be details =
of GNOME 3's import, MATE's import, and GNOME 2's decommission, which we wo=
uld need to ensure forward compatibility.
I don't have write access to the FreeBSD Wiki. Assuming that this is what =
we'd use, before I can edit the GNOME/MATE/whatever page, you'll have to gr=
ant me this privilege. "AJKehoe" is my username.
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