Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:58:15 +0000 From: Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk> To: Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle Message-ID: <CADWvR2hFC1UUx5NM3duACyXOVVycX7CB_e2tgmV5i62irqsDqA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAOjFWZ5=os_ihJqAGMscxvZBpjnDZRR%2B-ZOqNUswMwtZ7FEwXQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1112211415580.19710@kozubik.com> <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1201161606230.19710@kozubik.com> <20120117010239.GA29529@richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1201171931120.21214@oreo.lan> <jf3u0f$8pv$1@dough.gmane.org> <CADWvR2hqM6KEXqb7HY2K6AenOuDL4r0=L_b__G96xzX9-0dwWw@mail.gmail.com> <CAF-QHFXubf_0hFLbp1quoUTJnb65eLt4-=0DAgAgb527yGGBsg@mail.gmail.com> <CADWvR2gxbHUA1VDm%2BtfxrumL1KQ8w1OEHSK%2B3FJ_mmb7hpdhgw@mail.gmail.com> <CAOjFWZ5=os_ihJqAGMscxvZBpjnDZRR%2B-ZOqNUswMwtZ7FEwXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 17 January 2012 16:48, Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk> wrote: >> Actually, I don't think it's cash that's the problem. I think it is >> more to do with the lack of common goal: the way that releases are >> perceived, at least by me, are that a bunch of people "play" in >> current then at some point someone decides to take a "cut" of the >> current branch and call it a release then work toward making that >> "release" passable as stable. To illustrate that, I cannot find >> anywhere on the .org website what core@ see the desirable features of >> 10.0 to be, or what the committers are working toward. > > That would be because, with the multi-year debacle that 5.0-RELEASE > became while they worked on the "features list for 5.0" (primarily > SMPng), the FreeBSD Project has moved away from features-based > releases and to time-based releases (although the exact timelines are > not carved in stone). > > You won't find a list of features for the next release of FreeBSD. > You'll just find a list of things that people are working on that may > or may not be ready in time for the next release. > > The development is much closer to Ubuntu (release whatever is ready > every 6 months) than to Debian (release everything when it's ready, > even if it takes 2, 3, 4+ years to make it ready, while the current > release grows stale). And this is the ridiculous "bazaar" situation that I was criticising. In contrast to Ubuntu, or other distribution on top of Linux, FreeBSD is a "whole" system. Even Ubuntu and such, take a "collection" of projects that have been developed with certain measurable goals. Yes, Ubuntu appears to be date-oriented distribution, but the software that Ubuntu incorporate into their releases is feature- and goal- oriented. FreeBSD, it seems, as I have pointed out, have no measurable goals within the project itself other than "whatever looks like it has a potential to work on date X" is going to be in our release. How can this be even considered to be serious?.. No serious manufacturer/producer says "throw things in a mix and we'll stick to whatever passes as passable by date X"... -- Igor M. :-)
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