Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:19:34 +0200 From: Alexander Motin <mav@FreeBSD.org> To: Alex Goncharov <alex-goncharov@comcast.net> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change? Message-ID: <4F3E8C26.3080900@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <E1RyRKJ-000Ioa-Ec@hans3> References: <CAOjFWZ6WM1bLEwaBiUE50Gj4MrwxefDWFb85ecRtYkSDuZ0erg@mail.gmail.com> <mailpost.1329495670.7246668.67851.mailing.freebsd.hackers@FreeBSD.cs.nctu.edu.tw> <4F3E8225.9030501@FreeBSD.org> <E1RyRKJ-000Ioa-Ec@hans3>
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On 17.02.2012 19:10, Alex Goncharov wrote: > ,--- You/Alexander (Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:53 +0200) ----* > | On 02/17/12 18:20, Alex Goncharov wrote: > |> How do I find the correct hint if I can't reload the sound module in > |> the new kernel environment and explore 'dmesg', '/dev/sndstat' and the > |> physical headphones with the new hint without a reboot? > |> > |> Stick something in a file (/boot/device.hints or /boot/loader.conf), > |> reboot and see if it works... if it doesn't put a different > |> combination of 'cad', 'nid' and 'seq' and reboot?... And again and > |> again, till it works?.. > | > | Improved HDA driver in HEAD allows to change CODEC configuration via > | sysctls on fly without unloading. I am going to merge it to 9/8-STABLE > | in few weeks. If somebody wants to write nice GUI for it -- welcome! ;) > > Being mostly a FreeBSD freeloader (or a marginal contributor), I > shouldn't be complaining, and I am not, but permit me to make a > personal biased judgment: losing the ability to do a practically > important thing (a dynamic sound card tuning) which was available in > 8, makes 9 a "not ready to be released" OS (GUI isn't relevant here.) > > OK, I'll put my upgrades to 9 on hold... Thanks all for clarifying the > situation! > > P.S. As an aside and IMHO: > > Over the last year, I've been asking myself why I keep bothering with > FreeBSD when several Linux distros do everything painlessly out of box. > > Obviously, I like FreeBSD general structure a lot, that's why. > FreeBSD won't miss me going back to Linux, but I may miss FreeBSD, so > I am still sticking on, but I see a lot of dangers to FreeBSD being a > meaningfully used platform, for various reasons (some of them have > been mentioned in several discussions on freebsd-stable.) Breaking > POLA in a released OS, which I see with this sound card tuning issue, > doesn't add FreeBSD friends... For many users these days not having sound drivers turned on by default is more astonishing. Luckily most systems don't need hints to get working sound. So it depends on point of view. And definitely I see no problem in this for updating to 9.0, unless you are already biased against it. -- Alexander Motin
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