Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:54:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Denny White <dennyboy@cableone.net> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS Message-ID: <20050603001722.Y600@dualman.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNAEKCFBAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> References: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNAEKCFBAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Learning a lot so far, like checking make options next time when I first install fbsd. Picking the programs that are multithreaded, etc. As for X, I've got some video cards I could try out, but right now, I'm pretty satisfied with wmaker. Pretty much setup barebones with just enough to do what I need to do visually in a gui. Most of the time, it's lynx for reading html docs pertaining to the system mostly. Thanks, Ted. On Tue, 31 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Well the SCSI disks in it are probably slower seek time than > modern IDE. You actually don't learn a lot from SCSI on those > systems since all the work is done for you - the drives are all > setup identically and the cage takes care of termination. The > big win with SCSI on that vintage is that back then SCSI drives > had MTBF of 100,000 hours, IDE more like 10,000 that is why > everyone running servers used SCSI. > > clamav is going to run like a dog on anything slower than a 1Ghz > system. What the clam scanner has to do is tremendously cpu > intensive. And clam isn't multithreaded so SMP does nothing unless > your running multiple clamscans at the same time. > > You can probably jazz up X by turning off the integrated video > and adding in a good video card. I think the video onboard were > really crappy Trident chipsets with small amounts of ram. These > were servers after all, intended to just sit there, nobody used > the video for anything. > > Ted > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Denny White >> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:22 AM >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Hi Ted, >> All I've got and can afford is right now is the old >> stuff I already have. I want to use the Netserver, not >> only to experiment with dual processors, but also because >> I have never worked with scsi or hardware raid before, >> only ide. You're exactly right too, what you said about >> folks like me trying to milk way too much out of old >> systems. It's a PII 300 dual-processor, not that the 2 >> processors help a lot, and I do have smp in the kernel. >> I've watched top's output while running a clamav scan. >> The whole thing bogs down. X is slow too, but works. >> Thought about overclocking, but don't want to burn it >> up yet. Still okay tho, for nfs & ssh on my lan and >> later a firewall box too. Added this to the kernel >> >> options EISA_SLOTS=12 >> >> and rebuilt it, but it doesn't help. I'll keep on picking >> at it until I'm satisfied I've tweaked it all I can. >> Thanks for the help and advice. >> Denny >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Denny, >>> >>> I used to admin a network with a number of those systems on it >>> but it's been years since I've dealt with one, so I've forgotten >>> everything from the BIOS screen. But I did know that HP had the >>> manuals online, so when you said you had no manual for it, I >>> naturally assumed that you were unaware that HP is still supporting >>> them (after a fashion) and that a few minutes work would get you the >>> manual. Now, if you had posted something like "I read the manual >>> and the option isn't in there" that would have been different. >>> You could try running eisaconfig on it and setting the Operating >>> System parameter to SCO Unix or some such, but I don't know if this >>> is even an option, much less if it would work. >>> >>> I have a customer that ran one of these systems for years with >>> FreeBSD 4.X on it (4.8 I think) so I know that the 4.x series will >>> at least run on them. As I recall these are Pentium 200Hmz systems, >>> correct? If so, FreeBSD 5.X won't get you anything more than >>> what you would get for 4.X. These systems made really >>> nice, solid little servers in their day. Even today they are >>> good for small tasks like network monitoring, etc. and if I were >>> in your shoes I would certainly want to use the system if I had >>> something for it that wasn't too taxing on the CPU. But you >>> are like a lot of people who have posted on this forum in the >>> last few years who have tried pushing older hardware to run >>> FreeBSD 5.X, sometimes it works but most of the time it doesen't >>> seem to. I never even bother booting 5.X on anything that isn't >>> at minimum a Pentium II 500Mhz system nowadays. >>> >>> The only other suggestion I would make is to ask in a hardware >>> forum, or on Usenet in a hardware forum. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Denny White >>>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:07 AM >>>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >>>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS >>>> >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Spent several sleepless nights searching >>>> hp's site before asking my question. Guess >>>> I refused to accept the obvious, that you >>>> could only reserve resources for non pnp >>>> devices that fbsd couldn't probe. I also >>>> tried acpi, since the docs say it has a >>>> different method of probing. See, I did >>>> read it. I just hoped someone else might >>>> know something I'd missed or didn't under- >>>> stand. Always try to do my research before >>>> posting on here. Don't always understand >>>> what I read, but I keep reading. And I don't >>>> post questions like "Help", or "I can't >>>> install FreeBSD, what'll I do"? But hey, >>>> thanks for being there, old sport. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of >> Denny White >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:40 PM >>>>>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>>> Subject: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, the following definitely shows the >>>>>> BIOS in this old Netserver is PNP. I ran >>>>>> biosdecode on it and got this: >>>>>> >>>>>> Slot Entry 10: ID 00:0d, on-board >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to disable PNP in this >>>>>> particular computer? I have no manual on it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Resource.jsp?l >>> ocale=en_U >>>> S&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=50440&prodTypeId=15351 >>>> >>>> >>>> RTFM first, then come here. >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) >>> >>> iD8DBQFCm0gqy0Ty5RZE55oRArjVAJ0Zo4ZnLeP3pS6j0wg86qNnQMG0uQCgw8RI >>> 7J/Uipixx4KIAcfoMLAZFAM= >>> =pYax >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) >> >> iD8DBQFCnEjay0Ty5RZE55oRAkdCAJ9W9V+21psMmeYJEa67JXmhRCvkUwCgy3H4 >> ihDghpkZ3kHNxw1zRuV+x5I= >> =4c1d >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCn/COy0Ty5RZE55oRApL0AJ9vcp3cV2C7x6pUqbAUjyfUxCQM9ACfY/R7 KQPUo8LiEWYSxxpB5eywE+U= =5doW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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