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Date:      Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:06:48 +1100
From:      Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>
To:        Omachonu Ogali <oogali@intranova.net>
Cc:        Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: mount /cdrom to be used by users
Message-ID:  <20000131090647.A64751@phoenix.welearn.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001301018320.36820-100000@hydrant.intranova.net>; from Omachonu Ogali on Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 10:19:04AM -0500
References:  <86tma3$24lf$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001301018320.36820-100000@hydrant.intranova.net>

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all,

<plea warning disclaimer etc>

i don't write nice and polite because, well because i don't,
and or simply because people say that i don't. i write the best
that i can with what i have. also, my spelling is constrained by
my neurological damaged hands and body and a brain that suffers
with dsylexia amongst other things.

don't be  offended by HOW i have said, rather listen to, what i
have to say.

</plea /warning /disclaimer /etc>

On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 10:19:04AM -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote:

> This list is for newbies,

this is correct, newcomers to freebsd in particular and
newcomers to unix in general. you will find several members
here that are, and, have a vast level of experience with other
brands of unix, comercial unicies i mean .. but, they are just
newcomers to freebsd like the rest of us.

> and it may or may not include technical
> questions

this list freebsd-newbies is not for asking technical questions
about freebsd in particular or unix in general.

it is expressly for the asking of questions "about asking
questions and how to find out" to paraphrase the charter.

this thread (Subg: re: mount /cdrom..) belongs in
freebsd-questions, not here.

we are all here to learn how to be "good little unix users" and
more importantly to shed that awkwardness that all novices have
when they forst learn to believe in the one true light, way,
path call it what you will.

here we won't get stomped on for the ocassional wrong footfall,
or foot in mouth episode, etc. but we all need to realise that
for freebsd-newbies to be an effective forum we also need to
keep the signal to noise ratio as low as  possible, hence this
note from me. we already have severl good places to ask 'techie'
questions like this .. but only one place where we can learn
how not to become just another bit of "newbie cannon fodder".

> so don't discourage other users like that.

to fall back on my own sarcasm, if the people who asked the
questions would learn how to read then maybe they would not
need to ask the questions, especially in the wrong places.

freebsd-newbies is a placeto learn how to particiapte in
mailing lists and the unix community in general, it is not a "i
have got this problem hold my hand or else forum". well not
yet.

ultimately i'll probably get flamed (yet again) for what i've
said, but all i can do is to direct you all to the charter,
which is the second to final authority, or to the list
moderator (owner, instigator and mentor) one who is known far
and wide simply as "sue".

take care, freebsd-newbies is thankfully not a
freebsd-questions or any one of the countless linux clones, so
let us all try and keep it that way .. all it takes is a little
discipline.

regards

jonathan

resident pariah.

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