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Date:      Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:37:16 -0400
From:      <kris@ixsystems.com>
To:        "'Ken Moore'" <ken@ixsystems.com>, <freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
Message-ID:  <02ef01d4fe90$a997a360$fcc6ea20$@ixsystems.com>
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Just echo'ing what Ken has stated here. This is part of the reason we
implemented this style with the less granular pkgs. The entire
'userland-base' is one single archive, minus docs/tests/debug files. This
means a single 'pkg upgrade' of userland-base will be able to finish
extraction in one pass, ensuring that libc/libthr/libelf and friends all are
splatted on disk in the same pass. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org <owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org>
On Behalf Of Ken Moore
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:55 AM
To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base

On Monday, April 29, 2019 8:08:08 AM EDT, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> Cc: list trimmed to relevant.  Very long essey below, be warned.
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 03:52:21PM -0400, kris@ixsystems.com wrote:
>> FreeBSD Community,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 
>> 13-current using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock 
>> FreeBSD images which will allow users to perform all updating via the 
>> 'pkg' command directly. ...
>
> I do not know what are design decisions for trueos pkgbase are, but I 
> do know something about in-tree split and why some packaging decisions 
> where made. I cannot attend your WG, but I believe the reasoning used 
> for the in-tree is important enough to represent it intact from the 
> source.  I have to start with some explanatory long text to put it 
> into the proper perspective.
>
> There are two knots of interdependinces which are critical for 
> correctness of any upgrade where the target system cannot be simply 
> discarded on failure:
> 1. C runtime
> 2. Minimal boot path to prompt.
> Let me elaborate both, starting from point 1, which is typically very 
> obscure despite having the fundamental nature for anything related to 
> upgrades.
>
> The basic execution environment for any program executed by the 
> FreeBSD kernel is formed by combination of kernel' syscall interface 
> and some system userspace code which makes the expected environment 
> over the bare-bone image state after execve. The environment is 
> typically named C runtime environment since C language ABI is directly 
> tied into it, and normal C programs only get whatever is provided by 
> the C runtime unless additional libraries are linked in. Trully, it is 
> not just C runtime, any other execution environment on top of the OS 
> is based on this one, but since almost every 'advanced' language 
> runtime is backed by C language and its runtime, the name stuck.
>
> FreeBSD C runtime, arguably, is provided by the following four objects:
> 	/libexec/ld-elf.so.1
> 	/lib/libc.so.7
> 	/lib/libthr.so.3
> 	/lib/libm.so.5
> There, we do *guarantee* that the external ABI of the whole pack of 
> these four objects is backward compatible, i.e. if the binary was 
> compiled against set if base libraries at earlier date (may be also on 
> earlier branch), then the binary behaviour would be same when executed 
> on newer C runtime pack. This is not trivial to achieve, besides 
> technical measures that helps there, like backward-compatible syscall 
> interface, symbol versioning, providing fall-back code for older 
> interface, a lot of overhead in the development is enforced, like 
> carefull reviews of the changes, the policy and related discipline of 
> versioning, following published ABI standards, and so on.
>
> But, internal ABI of the C runtime pack, i.e. interfaces which make 
> rtld work with libc and libthr, or way by which libthr, when loaded, 
> makes libc thread-aware, are not stable, and more, they are often 
> changed in backward-incompatible way. Requiring backward-compatibility 
> there would stop our ability to evolve the system. Answering some 
> questions in advance, yes, rtld delves into libc, libthr patches libc 
> on load, libc has hooks to control some libthr behaviour.
>
> The only provision that we make is that ld-elf.so.1 is required to 
> work with older libc/libthr combination, but even then libc and libthr 
> must be built from the same sources with the same options set.
>
> Now, returning to pkgbase, if you look at what libs are packed into 
> clibs, you see:
> 	ld-elf.so.1
> 	libc.so.7 (and modules like iconv tables or nss, if any)
> 	libthr.so.3
> 	libdl.so.1
> 	libgcc{, _eh, _s}.so.1
> 	libm.so.5
> 	libedit.so.7
> 	libncurses{, w}.so.8
> 	libc++.so.1
> It adds very popular libs like libncurses/libedit, and C++ runtime. 
> The basic reasoning is that this package is small and chances of 
> something going wrong while installing it are small as result. Put it 
> other way, the small clibs package organization makes it highly 
> probable that system is left in the consistent state (either all new 
> libs, or all old
> libs) after the upgrade, whetever the outcome is.
>
> If the C runtime pack is not split from the whole 700MB+ update blob, 
> libthr update has almost certain chance to occur long after or before 
> libc update, so failures do tend to leave inconsistent 
> rtld/libc/libthr set.  At best, it gives you strange glitches, at 
> worst you get unusable system that cannot be repaired without external
media.
>
> Now, the second item, the minimal boot path. By definition, it 
> consists of everything that is required to get bare-bone shell prompt 
> in single user mode, and where user can repair failed upgrade. 
> Arguably, it should also include the tools to configure the network 
> and fix filesystems. So it should consists of
> 	loader (including forth/lua scripts)
> 	kernel
> 	C runtime
> 	/sbin/init
> 	/bin/sh
> 	newfs/fsck/tunefs for UFS
> 	zfs/zfspool and libs for ZFS
> 	ifconfig/route/ping
> In this set, zfs and network management tools must be synced with the 
> kernel, since ABI of the management syscalls is not guaranteed to be 
> stable even on stable branches.
>
> The above brain dump is at least partial enumeration of things that 
> were discussed between me and Glen when Glen created the current 
> in-tree packaging code.


Konstantin:
Please read the pkgbase documentation that Kris posted in the CFT
(https://trueos.github.io/pkgbase-docs/). Your issues/questions keeps
referencing the packaging used in the current FreeBSD base-package
implementation instead of the pkgbase system proposed in this CFT.

TLDR: The package format proposed here does not follow the
current/experimental base package format, but rather is a new ports-based
implementation which tries to mimic the traditional distfile outputs of
FreeBSD in package form.

Because this new base package system is governed by ports instead of in-tree
changes to the freebsd source tree itself, this allows for the same base
package implementation to be used on almost any version of FreeBSD that you
like: which is how 12-STABLE and 13-CURRENT package repos were both
trivially created for this CFT.

-- 
~~ Ken Moore ~~
ken@ixsystems.com
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