Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:53:54 -0400 From: Josh Ockert <torstenvl@gmail.com> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: Ray Jenson <rjenson@redheron.net>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, taob@risc.org Subject: Re: Demon license? Message-ID: <126eac480507181053398deebe@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNCEAIFCAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> References: <20050718085255.GM25747@wantadilla.lemis.com> <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNCEAIFCAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
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This is somewhat off-topic, but I'd like to point out that I'm not the one raising the issue. There have been numerous attempts on -questions to paint the advocates of a new logo as anti-Beastie. Specifically, Ted, you claim that "The agitators in the FreeBSD project that want to jettison it are falling all over themselves to carefully explain how that ... really isn't so strongly identified with FreeBSD." There are no plans to jettison Beastie, and it has never been claimed that he's not associated with FreeBSD. Your making this statement is irresponsible behavior and I for one am going to block the address of anyone who continues on in this manner. The logo contest website very specifically says that Beastie will still be the mascot. From this I conclude one of: a) You have not read the website and have no idea what you're talking about. b) Are intentionally trying to start arguments (we call this trolling). c) Don't know that a mascot is a personified figure associated with something. Furthermore, you and some of those sharing your viewpoints have tried to paint those wishing for a different logo as in the extreme minority. Personally, I think it's a good idea to create for ourselves something that can contribute to a public face less open to misinterpretation while still safeguarding part of the community culture. I haven't spoken up on it so far because I saw no need to. I submit that it's entirely possible that there are many like me. Being more vocal does not make you the majority. Lastly, I would think that those in "The Project" are very able to make decisions like this. It is a meritocracy. Having a contest open to the public gathers opinions from the community. I wouldn't call that fascist, yet you seem to try to imply that it is. In short, take a chill pill. As to the subject of copyright infringement, allowing other Beastie-like images to be associated with FreeBSD is not copyright infringement. Gentoo's penguin is not copyright infringement. Stylized logos that are merely similar do not infringe on eachother. That's like suggesting that a professional photographer at a wedding owns all amateur wedding photos taken by friends and family attending the event. It is not a subject that is copyrighted, or nobody would be able to paint flowers anymore. It is the image itself. Any work that is arrived at independently cannot possibly infringe on another's copyright. So a redrawing of a daemon that is not a copy of Kirk's is completely legal. (IANAL.. yet. Give me a couple more years and the MBE though and that'll change).
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