Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman <btillman99@yahoo.com> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: X client without X server Message-ID: <1372865169.34030.YahooMailNeo@web165004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <201307031317.r63DHQqR034336@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <CA%2Bg%2BBvggCPtF-AMSc_PanaPtBAD2K_TRDgQzdtTrbd-M43QLKw@mail.gmail.com> <201307031317.r63DHQqR034336@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk>
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________________________________ From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bris.ac.uk> To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk; olivier2553@gmail.com Cc: on@cs.ait.ac.th; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: Re: X client without X server From olivier2553@gmail.com Wed Jul 3 13:09:25 2013 Anton, On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bris.ac.uk> wrote: > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:55:48 +0700 (ICT) > From: Olivier Nicole <Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: X client without X server > > Hi, > > Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an > X server? > > On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use > for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X > on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of > useless junk like xcalc. > > Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are needed > to run xterm? > > TIA, > > Olivier > > I've been doing this for years. > What's the problem? > > Just install xterm, or whatever you need. > All the necessary libs will be pulled in, e.g.: > > $ pkg info -xd xterm > xterm-293: > xproto-7.0.24 > xextproto-7.2.1 > renderproto-0.11.1 > printproto-1.0.5 > libxcb-1.9.1 > libXrender-0.9.8 > libXpm-3.5.10 > libXp-1.0.2,1 > libXext-1.3.2,1 > libXdmcp-1.1.1 > libXau-1.0.8 > libX11-1.6.0,1 > libSM-1.2.1,1 > libICE-1.0.8,1 > kbproto-1.0.6 > libXt-1.1.4,1 > libXmu-1.1.1,1 > libXaw-1.0.11,2 > libXft-2.3.1 > fontconfig-2.9.0,1 > expat-2.0.1_2 > freetype2-2.4.12_1 > pkgconf-0.9.2_1 > pcre-8.33 > libpthread-stubs-0.3_3 > > Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server. But for some reason, xorg-server gets installed too. And tons of fonts, and ... It could be emacs, or cvsup, these are the 3 X Window clients I install. I don't use emacs, but you can quickly check, prior to installing, what other ports will be required, e.g. do make -C /usr/ports/ search name=emacs-24 You might be familiar with this already, but if not, the B-deps are those ports which are required to build your port, and R-deps are required to run your port. For emacs-24, both the default and the devel branches, you see that they depend on xorg-fonts-truetype-7.7_1 and lots of other libs, but not on xorg-server. net/cvsup has a lot fewer dependencies, again no xorg-server. In general X server is only required by the ports running on the graphical side - screen, mouse, kbd, etc., e.g.: $ pkg info -xr xorg-server xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1: xf86-input-keyboard-1.7.0 xf86-input-mouse-1.9.0 xf86-video-vesa-2.3.2 nvidia-driver-310.44_1 $ So I'd say something is wrong with your installation if xorg-server is being pulled in when you build emacs, xterm or cvsup. Post the output from "pkg info -aq". Maybe this will give us a hint. Anton _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Just my 2˘ worth on this. Sure, one always wants to keep overhead low. But the days of limited RAM, small hard drives, etc...are long since behind us. I remember in 1994 when and IT consultant came in and built a Novell server for us with a whopping 1 GB hard drive. And back then how we thought with a 1 GB hard drive we'd never run out of space. Well these days one could easily run out of space with such a small hard drive. But with today's systems having 2 or 3 TB drives and GB's of RAM, something as trivial as X-Server should not be a problem. If you don't need it, don't run it. But to worry about the space it takes up is kind of a moot point these days. And like some of the other replies mentioned, xterm may not require it, but one of xterm's dependencies may. I run Asterisk routinely on my systems and I'm always amazed at how installing one port requires no less than 38 other ports to be installed as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 3 15:52:39 2013 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA2A4B0 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFCC1483 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r63FqMAw010138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher®S128-SHA bits8 verify=NOT); Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:52:22 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.23]) by LTCFISWMSGHT06.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:52:22 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> To: Olivier Nicole <Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> Subject: Re: X client without X server Thread-Topic: X client without X server Thread-Index: AQHOd6E+FEQAEmM5NE+9WXzzFp1ICZlTbysA Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:52:21 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FADBD3@ltcfiswmsgmb21> References: <201307030355.r633tmGL019936@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <201307030355.r633tmGL019936@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <B922253D68E0A84493B3E484E9B59D59@fisglobal.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions 13-07-03_09:2013-07-03,2013-07-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:52:40 -0000 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an > X server? > > On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use > for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X > on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of > useless junk like xcalc. > If you never run emacs in X11 mode, but instead run emacs within the XTerm, might I suggest that you look into the "emacs-nox11" package (/usr/ports/editors/emacs-nox11). This should cut down on the number of dependencies significantly, but if you run emacs directly as an X11 program, then "emacs-nox11" will not provide that functionality -- so this suggestion is [again] only helpful if you're used to just running emacs in the XTerm. On the vim side of things, I tend to shoot for "vim-lite" instead of "vim". Same reason, fewer dependencies. > Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are needed > to run xterm? > You could always go the binary package route. force-install the binary package, then do an "ldd" on xterm to find out what's missing. Then compare what's missing to the packing-list's @pkgdep entries (/var/db/pkg/xterm*/+CONTENTS for non-pkgng systems; for pkgng systems, [guessing] pkg info -dx xterm) -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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