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Date:      Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:58:44 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
To:        "Robert D. Hughes" <rob@robhughes.com>
Cc:        "Nate Williams" <nate@yogotech.com>, "Justin White" <justinfinity@mac.com>, <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: firewall config (CTFM)
Message-ID:  <15445.37204.693732.376471@caddis.yogotech.com>
In-Reply-To: <B95B566BD245174196CA4EE29E5818831B6469@HEXCH01.robhughes.com>
References:  <B95B566BD245174196CA4EE29E5818831B6469@HEXCH01.robhughes.com>

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> While this will probably get me flamed to no end, users not reading the
> docs and keeping up with advisories (sys admins are users too) is only
> the cause of little things like nimda, code red, and probably at least
> 90% of all the other problems people report with any system.

Again, a comment in a unused file cannot properly be called
documentation.  And, when the comment is misleading, it's even worse. :(

> If you've read them, and at least tried to follow them and it still
> doesn't work, I have great sympathy and want to help. I never answer a
> question on a list that I know I can look at a manual and find the
> answer to in under a half-hour.

*Bwah* *hah* *hah* *hah* *hah* *hah*

<Wiping tears from my eyes>

Yeah, right.  I've been involved with this project *longer* than anyone
(including Jordan), although I haven't been as involved with it as of
late.  However, I read *all* the mailing lists (except questions), which
I've done for almost 9 years now.

I've hacked on the kernel, hacked on userland, including parts of ipfw
that currently exist.  *I* consider the current behavior non-intuitive.

Also, even *I* can't find answers to my questions with 30 minutes, and I
know where to look, so I find you statement, well, to be brutally
honest, both humerous and a little bit egotistical. :

My .25 worth....



Nate

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Williams [mailto:nate@yogotech.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:20 AM
> To: Justin White
> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: re: firewall config (CTFM)
> 
> 
> > i'm not trying to be mean, but if you don't read the docs
> 
> A comment in a configuration file that the user should never have to see
> is considered documentation?
> 
> *sheesh*
> 
> 
> Nate
> 
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