Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:09:35 -0700 From: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Kenneth Culver <culverk@alpha.yumyumyum.org>, "Steve B." <steveb99@earthlink.net>, "Eugene L. Vorokov" <vel@bugz.infotecs.ru>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C vs C++ Message-ID: <15494.26991.417780.56393@caddis.yogotech.com> In-Reply-To: <3C866897.649BCC6F@mindspring.com> References: <20020305164151.T5854-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> <3C8529DA.FA8ABCE@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020306073237.00cd0b00@localhost> <3C8659BC.C2FD35ED@mindspring.com> <15494.23436.196349.224108@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C8661EB.934CC478@mindspring.com> <15494.25629.4763.761844@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C866897.649BCC6F@mindspring.com>
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> > > Again, that's subjective to you. I've been doing C++ for > > > about 20 years now > > > > I find that *really* hard to believe, since C++ hasn't been out for that > > long. :) :) :) > > > > (I've got Stroustrup's book next to me, and it wasn't even started until > > '85, and I don't know when the first C++ compiler became publically > > available.) > > I'm rounding... 8-). We had "cfront" and "The Oregon C++ > Compiler" back in the early 1980's (definitely before 1985, > since I was working by then). Again, you *couldn't* have, since it didn't exist. > > > The other advantage is that the C++ code ran in a known, > > > deterministic amount of memory on an embedded system; > > > Java VM's, even Kaffe, seem to want to take at least 8M > > > of memory. > > > > Kaffe wasn't a good implementation of the VM. However, I will state > > that the minimum size was quite large. (No worse than most other > > interpreted languages). However, it didn't have to get any bigger. I > > had a server that server 400 real-time clients running in under 24MB on > > a Sparc/RISC platform. > > The costs are much less if you can share a JVM, that's > true. But comparing the Sun JVM with the Kaffe, I've > actually never seen the Sun JVM smaller. Kaffe is really > surprisingly small-footed for a JVM. 8-). My experience differs with yours. (However, I'm comparing Sun's JDK1.0 vs. Kaffe, since Kaffe didn't support many 1.1 features, and as such wasn't usable for 1.1.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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