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Date:      Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:39:25 -0700
From:      "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" <michaelv@MindBender.serv.net>
To:        Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
Cc:        jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), julian@current1.whistle.com, Rich.Heaton@empac.com, hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Job openings: Unix Network Programmers, Internet server 
Message-ID:  <199609220039.RAA02243@MindBender.serv.net>
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 21 Sep 96 15:37:56 -0500. <199609212037.PAA14080@brasil.moneng.mei.com> 

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>> Richard told me yesterday that Microsoft recently announced a
>> multi-billion (yes, billion) dollar initiative to make NT *the*
>> network operating system in 1997, and that's a whole heck of a lot of
>> money.  It's time for small companies involved with UNIX to pool their
>> efforts or Bill is going to eat them all.  He might eat them anyway,
[...]

>What you are saying is certainly wise, I have no doubts about that.
>I am just a little dismayed at how things have developed...  we could
>really use this advice with respect to our multiple working OS development
>groups.  :-(

What might be almost as helpful is for people who know what they want,
and why they want it, to file bug reports, requests, and such with
Microsoft ("telnet sucks, please fix it", "give us a single-rooted
filesystem", "give us a Real Shell", etc.).  That way, if NT becomes
the defacto commercial server OS (which it has a very good chance of
doing), at least it will be something that Unix advocates won't mind
using so much.

It's pretty hard to get some of my bug reports and suggestions taken
seriously when they think some of this stuff doesn't matter to the
majority of people.  For example, two I filed recently on problems
with NT telnet and NT ftp.  They agreed they were broken, but told me
that they were pretty far down the priority list.

Microsoft is very sensative to their Net presence, and whatever they
deem as threats to it.  Microsoft IS also interested in making NT a
really great OS.  We just have to tell them what we consider "really
great" to be.

Please no MS flames or on-going MS-bashing threads on the public list.
(If that's what you want to do, flame me privately.)  I mean this as a
serious suggestion.

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