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Date:      Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:37:21 -0600
From:      Karl Denninger  <karl@mcs.net>
To:        John Kelly <jak@cetlink.net>
Cc:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Donations.
Message-ID:  <19980304083721.56007@mcs.net>
In-Reply-To: <35025f98.6661194@mail.cetlink.net>; from John Kelly on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 02:07:29PM %2B0000
References:  <1444.889019123@time.cdrom.com> <35025f98.6661194@mail.cetlink.net>

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On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 02:07:29PM +0000, John Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 05:45:23 -0800, "Jordan K. Hubbard"
> <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG> wrote:
> 
> >> With a pool of $500,000 to spend, neither Jordan nor core should be
> >> deciding what gets funded.  Funding decisions should be controlled by
> >> the donors themselves, collectively.  And voting is the only way to do
> >> that.
> >
> >This is a complete waste of time.  I've already told you - if you have
> >a problem with the way funding is allocated then simply don't donate
> >funds, it's very simple.  Can we get back to work now?
> >
> >					Jordan
> 
> Keeping my money is one of the easiest things I can do.
> 
> If you can't see the value of meaningful donor incentives, someone
> else will.

Bingo.  

MCSNet could make a reasonably-sized donation to this cause (few thousand
bucks) and would have no problem with doing so.  In fact, if we had some
idea what that incremental funding would do, I could make the business case
to be significantly more generous.  Simply put, money ain't the issue.

The issue is that there are certain things that we really *NEED* fixed, and
to stay as priorities in remaining fixed as time goes on (things that used 
to work, and are now broken for example - specifically, NFS issues for one,
and behavior under troublesome SCSI conditions [ie: returns of a defective 
block from the controller] for another).  I'm running kernels and OSs 
patched up from November, specifically because since then the stability of 
-CURRENT is bad enough from both direct observation and reports that if 
the risks grossly outweigh the rewards of trying to roll an upgrade 
through the network right now.

If I fund the *breakage* of something critical to us, I'm shooting myself
in the foot.  That's unwise.

I understand that Jordan and the rest of the core team have their own
priorities.  They sometimes don't mesh with mine.  Ok, good and well.  I
work around what I can, patch around what I can't work around, and remain
a few rev levels back if necessary in certain areas.  That level of choice
is one of the nicities of a free operating system environment with source
code in a CVS tree.

But for me to justify shaking loose the money on the tree, I need to be able
to show benefit.  That's just business - its not personal in any way.

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