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Date:      Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:01:42 +0200
From:      neal.tillery@cp.Novartis.com
To:        freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Questions [was: What do newbies want?]
Message-ID:  <199804162208.AAA14864@mta3.is.chbs>

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> From: 	Sue Blake[SMTP:sue@welearn.com.au]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, April 15, 1998 7:17 PM
> To: 	Stumpie
> Cc: 	freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: 	Questions [was: What do newbies want?]
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 04:07:16PM -0700, Stumpie wrote:
> 
> > I subscribed to <freebsd-questions> from a suggestion in the book,
> and then came over 
> > here to <-newbies> when it started up.  Now, from just reading the
> mail, I have two 
> > impressions.  
> > 
> > First, the <-questions> folks don't particularly wish to hear
> questions from rank 
> > beginners like me for the umteenth time.
> 
> This is something we really need to talk about. Would you mind
> following it
> through here a bit? I'm sure some other newbies will chime in :-)
> 
> What is it, exactly, that gives you that impression? We're going to
> need to
> pinpoint it and describe it as well as possible, but from a NEWBIES
> perspective (without outside influence or argument), before anyone can
> start
> to find some really valid solutions. This may take some time.
> 
> Are you saying that they don't want to hear beginners' questions? If
> so, why
> do you think that is?
> 
> Are you saying that they want to hear them, but only the first time?
> If so,
> what do you think is their reasoning, and is it valid or not?
> 
> Do you think their preference is a good thing, or a bad thing? Why?
> 
> <End Quote>
> 
> 
> I can understand someone's frustration at just answering one question
> in depth, only to have someone else ask it a week later.  When I ask a
> question I want to make it clear that I have exhausted all other means
> of fixing the problem and freebsd-questions is my last resort.  For
> example, I have a problem with PPP on my home computer.  This is not
> the run of mill PPP problem.  I've tried to search the Mailing List
> archives and Newsgroups, but because the problem is so specific and to
> amount of posts on PPP in the archive, its frustrating to find what I
> need, if it even exists to start with.
> 
> I think a better explanation of the search system on the FreeBSD site
> and how to utilize it to gain more precise information would be a good
> place to start.  The Help section doesn't cut it; basic AND and OR
> operators are not enough.  Something more powerful is needed. This
> would benefit both the newbies and question mailing lists.  Newbies
> can get the answers to there question easier.  Those questions that
> newbies ask are more then likely something new or something not easy
> to fix for a new user with the given material they have. If there is
> something like this, it needs to be announced more often.  If not,
> then I'd be willing to write up "A New Users Guide to Mailing List
> Searches".
> 
> Neal
> 
> 
> 

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