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Date:      Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:22:09 -0600 (CST)
From:      Jim Bryant <jbryant@unix.tfs.net>
To:        robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Year 2k and PC hardware
Message-ID:  <199812030622.AAA22863@unix.tfs.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981202152428.5892A-100000@fledge.watson.org> from Robert Watson at "Dec 2, 98 03:39:53 pm"

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> > anyhow, freebsd does not operate in "bootstrap" mode [real mode] like
> > dos/winblowz does.  the specified purpose of real mode is for
> > bootstrapping into protected mode.  don't worry about the bios, unless
> > you use mickey mouse products from mickeysoft.
> 
> I would disagree -- real mode is not even a very good bootstrap mode --
> it's really just so they can claim it runs DOS.  There is no good reason
> to boot up in a 20-bit address mode if you are just their to bootstrap to
> a 32-bit virtual address mode.  If it were really there to be a boostrap
> mode, it would bootstrap to a physically addressed 32-bit address mode,
> and then you would bump into protected mode (and virtual addressing)
> later if you felt like it.  Or on like on an Alpha, where the physical
> memory is addressable directly via a portion of the virtual address space
> (helps if you are 64-bit).  No, real mode is just a cheap hack so that DOS
> could run on a 386 because there were few real operating systems
> available.

actually i use the statement "The primary purpose of Real Mode is to
set up the processor for Protected Mode Operation." on page 3-1 of the
"Intel 486 DX2 Microprocessor Databook, 1992" as the reference point
for my statement.

btw: pages 3-1 and 3-2 are the complete documentation for real mode
operation.

this theme is also followed in the pentium arch/prog manual [vol 3]
where they actually added a page for a total of three pages for real
mode.

> > > (I was also unhappy to see that my bank is not very Y2k-ready just yet :(
> > > )
> > 
> > find a bank that is.  put your money there.  any firm that hasn't
> > brought their systems into compliance by september 1, 1999 deserves to
> > lose business and/or go bankrupt.  darwinean economics.
> 
> I agree, and am in the process of doing that now.  Only I would personally
> not have chosen such a poor date as Sept 1, 1999.  I think any firm that
> isn't in compliance by *now* is not acting responsibly.  :)  Good thing
> they're training those air traffic controllers to do it all by hand, huh.
> :)

well, i see sept 1st as the point of no return...  what is the first
problem date, 9/9/99?

jim
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