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Date:      Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
To:        David Wolfskill <dhw@whistle.com>
Cc:        freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: freefall hangs w/ nfs
Message-ID:  <199910251726.KAA07728@apollo.backplane.com>
References:   <199910251436.HAA20848@pau-amma.whistle.com>

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:>Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
:>From: Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
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:>    It looks on the face of it that AMD is hanging.  Perhaps this is 
:>    preventing the system from clearing out buffers and causing lockups
:>    on other mounts.  AMD could also be causing a deadlock to occur in the
:>    buffer cache (for the same reason loopback mounts can cause deadlocks).
:
:>    The next time this happens, if the person rebooting freefall can get 
:>    a kernel dump (and have a corresponding debug kernel) I may be able to 
:>    track it down for sure.  Fixing it is another problem, though.  Loopback
:>    deadlocks are a big problem under 3.x.
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:In an environment where there is use of amd and NFS, there is no need
:for loopback NFS mounts.

    Actually, what I meant was that AMD itself is equivalent to a loopback
    mount, whether or not you make loopback mounts through it.

    In looking at freefall a bit more, I don't quite understand why amd is
    being used at all.  I would simply create a /net/freefall/{c,d,g,x}
    and mount /c, /d, /g, and /x there locally.  Then on hub and bento the
    same paths would simply be NFS mounts.

    This would allow everyone's home directories to be hard coded on all
    machines to /net/freefall/blahblahblah.

    This is essentially what I did when we had shell1 and shell2 during the
    early days of BEST.

						-Matt



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