Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:00:01 +0000 From: Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org> To: Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com> Cc: Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>, Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: Threads in the base system Message-ID: <200012062200.eB6M01t07697@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com> of "Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:50:29 EST." <Pine.SUN.3.91.1001206164314.13505A-100000@pcnet1.pcnet.com>
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> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Brian Somers wrote:
> > Good spot. I believe NOLIBC_R should/must go.
>
> I was just [re]thinking about this. When we get libpthread (work
> has just started on this), then libc_r will eventually go away.
> It's not clear yet whether libpthread will exist as a separate
> entity or whether it will evolve from libc_r. It's possible
> that NOLIBC_R might actually become the default.
We should really be advocating using threads in the base system
rather than discouraging it (well, of course that's my view :-).
I suspect however that to most people, libc_r is just some extra
buildworld overhead....
I've already cast my vote, and can't see any strong argument not to
remove NOLIBC_R (especially now that it breaks world :-)
> > > Recently, pppctl was made thread-enabled, meaning that it relies on
> > > libc_r. This makes the NOLIBC_R cannot be used with buildworld anymore.
> > > Given that making pppctl depend on !NOLIBC_R may not be all that helpful,
> > > it looks like we may need to lose NOLIBC_R. Presumably over time, threads
> > > in default system applications will only become more popular. Any
> > > thoughts (especially in light of upcoming KSE changes, which will make
> > > threading integral to the system architecture)?
> > >
> > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
> > > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services
>
> --
> Dan Eischen
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