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Date:      Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Rob Simmons <rsimmons@wlcg.com>
To:        Eric Anderson <anderson@centtech.com>
Cc:        Not Going to Tell You <luckywolf19@hotmail.com>, <security@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Possible New Security Tool For FreeBSD, Need Your Help.
Message-ID:  <20010831174446.R50234-100000@mail.wlcg.com>
In-Reply-To: <3B8FF3B7.39F7646E@centtech.com>

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Why not require the incoming packets to be spoofed from a preordained set
of IP addresses to obfuscate it even more.

Robert Simmons
Systems Administrator
http://www.wlcg.com/

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Eric Anderson wrote:

> I guess what I meant by tight was that you would only allow packets from
> know trusted ip's (like the one's you would be coming from) anad deny
> all to everyone else.  Of course someone could spoof your ip, but they
> would have a hard time finding out that ip.  The comment on sniffing was
> to cover the bases, not to say it happens all the time, but you can't
> rule things out on the basis that "99.9% of all hackers".. thats a bad
> mentality to have when dealing with security issues I think..  It's a
> good idea, I'm just asking what benefit it gives you over a strict
> ipfilter list?
>
> Also, would you have a "client" tool to use to do this? if it was
> software that did it, wouldn't it be better to do a LOT of ports, in a
> certain order, etc?  Like 100-200?  5 is way too few to make it
> unhackable.  By the way, guessing key sequences isn't hard, it's simple,
> it just takes time, and that's something that computers have a lot of.
> Yes, it would take a long time, but it could do it.. I'm just saying it
> could be a false security.
>
> Why not do something thats based on time?  Like, sshd (or anything you
> want) will be at port X at time Y depending on Z (where Z is a 'salt'
> kind of thing you define). So, using an algorithm with X, Y, and Z, and
> the time, your server and client use the same calculations to find what
> X will be at a given Y.  You would just need your clocks synced.  This
> isn't perfect either, just more stuff to throw in to the mess. :)
>
> Eric


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