Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:14:28 -0800 From: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net> To: Anthony Atkielski <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com> Cc: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Message-ID: <20020404121428.D2470@rain.macguire.net> In-Reply-To: <016a01c1dc13$cbbb1790$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 10:03:28PM %2B0200 References: <xzppu1f1oh5.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no> <1AFD7E6F-47EB-11D6-BF98-003065D5E9A4@infospace.com> <20020404113201.C2470@rain.macguire.net> <016a01c1dc13$cbbb1790$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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* Anthony Atkielski (anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) [020404 12:03]: > Benjamin writes: > > > They can't get paid that badly either, a > > few folks I'm friends with host some kickass > > parties from their 1400 square foot apartment > > in downtown seattle. > > Those are stock options, not salary. Microsoft has historically been > slightly _below_ the norm for salaries in the industry, but the prestige of > the company and very high-flying stock options persuaded people to hire on > and stay. Now that MSFT stock isn't really worth anything any more, the > stock-option carrot is gone, and Microsoft has had to raise salaries. I > still don't believe they are paying much better than anyone else, however. > There is a lot of company loyalty, though, and the working environment is > very pleasant in many ways, particularly for workaholics. Funny. And not 4 months ago I was told I could go to work for MSFT at a salary higher than the industry rate. Not even as a developer, but as a systems operator. Stock was not even mentioned, and it didn't need mentioning. The salary alone would have been great. (For the record, this was an invitation, and not an offer, and I respectfully declined. I couldn't in good faith work for a company who's products I don't enjoy using, and wouldn't recommend for many situations.) > > Microsoft seems very much to be a brute force > > code factory, churning code internally, and > > selling the end product to customers when > > another person from some far-off part of the > > company says go. > > That's how you make the money. This is how we make the empty statements that try to sound profound. -- Benjamin Krueger "Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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