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Date:      Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:33:32 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Interview in Byte with Chris Sontag/SCO and FUD relating toBSDsettlement agreement
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On Thursday, 19 June 2003 at  1:29:37 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 18 June 2003 at  2:38:34 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
>>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>> Yes, it reminded me of that thread, but wkt was actually referring to
>>>> System III, not 32V.
>>>
>>> I am also pretty certain that it was widely stated at the time
>>> that the UCB's license was the older Western Electric license,
>>> which is the same license which allowed Lyon's to publish his
>>> commentary, legally, including the kernel source code.
>>
>> I suppose you mean John Lions.
>
> Yes.  I always spell his name wrong.
>
>> He got into a lot of trouble for that, and I doubt he would have
>> got away with it in the USA.
>
> Really?  Can you point to the signed non-disclosure agreement
> that he violated in order to publish his commentary?  The U.S.
> was not nearly as anal about this stuff until the 1980's.

Things have got worse, yes.  But certainly there was enough trouble in
the 70s.

>>> While the university, proper, did obtain a more modern license, that
>>> license could not be retroactive to change the terms of the original
>>> license.
>>
>> Which university are you talking about?  UCB or UNSW?
>
> UCB.

But John was at UNSW.

> You're in the area, aren't you? =20

For some definition of area.  UNSW is about 1400 km away.  But I'll be
in the area in about 6 weeks time.

> Why don't you ask to see the original license agreement that Lions
> was under at the time of his commentary's publication.

I think I'll ask Greg Rose.  He might have some interesting insights.

Greg
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