Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:24:13 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> To: Gary Corcoran <gcorcoran@rcn.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Eugene Grosbein <eugen@kuzbass.ru>, Nikos Vassiliadis <nvass@teledomenet.gr> Subject: Re: (feature change request) remove link-layer generated routes from netstat -r Message-ID: <20060223182412.GA33297@flame.pc> In-Reply-To: <43FDED8A.90208@rcn.com> References: <200602221550.17842.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <20060223050659.GA89118@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <200602230956.47263.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <200602231133.35747.jhb@freebsd.org> <43FDED8A.90208@rcn.com>
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On 2006-02-23 12:14, Gary Corcoran <gcorcoran@rcn.com> wrote:
>John Baldwin wrote:
>>On Thursday 23 February 2006 02:56, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
>>>On Thursday 23 February 2006 07:06, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>>>>On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 03:50:17PM +0200, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
>>>>>netstat -r prints link-layer generated routes and many
>>>>>times the output becomes somehow obscure. For
>>>>>example:
>>>>>
>>>>>root@brad:0:/usr/home/src/FreeBSD-6/src/usr.bin/netstat# netstat
>>>>>-ranfinet Routing tables
>>>>>
>>>>>Internet:
>>>>>Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif
>>>>>Expire default 10.1.1.244 UGS 0 31016
>>>>>rl0 10.1.1/24 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0
>>>>>10.1.1.181 00:0f:1f:fb:02:f5 UHLW 1 0 rl0
>>>>>10.1.1.182 00:e0:fc:38:d4:40 UHLW 1 0 rl0
>>>>>10.1.1.183 00:e0:fc:65:07:fd UHLW 1 0 rl0
>>>>>10.1.1.244 00:50:fc:fe:74:3b UHLW 2 1 rl0
>>>>>10.1.1.254 00:0c:cf:70:50:06 UHLW 1 0 rl0
>>>>>127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 1117 lo0
>>>>>192.168.1 link#5 UC 0 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.25 00:05:5d:4d:19:58 UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.45 00:11:43:b6:a1:55 UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.71 00:0c:f1:b9:38:50 UHLW 1 1645 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.84 00:04:23:af:79:66 UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.112 00:30:4f:21:3b:8a UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.196 00:07:e9:40:1f:c5 UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.199 00:e0:81:21:28:21 UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>192.168.1.200 00:30:4f:03:88:03 UHLW 1 0 fxp0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>when the information I was actually looking for is:
>>>>>
>>>>>root@brad:0:/usr/home/src/FreeBSD-6/src/usr.bin/netstat# netstat
>>>>>-rnfinet
>>>>>Routing tables
>>>>>
>>>>>Internet:
>>>>>Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif
>>>>>Expire default 10.1.1.244 UGS 0 31016
>>>>>rl0 10.1.1/24 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0
>>>>>127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 1117 lo0
>>>>>192.168.1 link#5 UC 0 0 fxp0
>>>>>root@brad:0:/usr/home/src/FreeBSD-6/src/usr.bin/netstat#
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The attachment patch ("cvs diff -u -rHEAD route.c" generated) prints
>>>>>link-layer generated routes when -a is specified and ignores them
>>>>>the rest of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thoughts? POLA violation?
>>>>Just use:
>>>>
>>>>netstat -rn | awk '$3 !~ /L/ { print }'
>>>That's exactly the point Eugene, I don't want to find ways to filter it
>>>out.
>>>It happens frequently. I didn't say it's difficult to remove it, I just
>>>don't want it there all the time. That's why you can use -a to get the old
>>>behavior.
>>
>>Using simple pipelines with awk and sed, etc. is the UN*X way though.
>>Instead
>>of building all-singing all-dancing programs you build simpler utilities
>>that
>>you "glue" together to build more complex behavior.
>
> Yes, when you want do do something "complicated", which doesn't belong
> in a single program, that's the way. But IMO that doesn't apply here.
> I agree with Nikos. He just wants to limit the often-useless (to most
> users) output which is *already* in the program. Just providing a
> simple command line option to get back the full output, if ever
> needed, seems like a good, simple solution, to make things easier for
> us poor humans to scan. :)
How about making the new behavior non-default, i.e. toggled by a -s
switch to the netstat -r command?
% netstat -rs
Then 's' can stand for 'short' output, and everyone can experiment with
the new feature. Then, after a couple of minor releases, if we find
that this is a feature that is very often used, we can make it the
default.
- Giorgos
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