Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 01:22:46 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> To: Mark R V Murray <mark@grondar.org> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r274739 - head/sys/mips/conf Message-ID: <20141121092245.GI99957@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <AE8F2D30-7F91-4C90-B79A-D99857D8AED8@grondar.org> References: <201411200552.sAK5qnXP063073@svn.freebsd.org> <20141120084832.GE24601@funkthat.com> <AE8F2D30-7F91-4C90-B79A-D99857D8AED8@grondar.org>
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Mark Murray wrote this message on Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 08:25 +0000:
>
> > On 20 Nov 2014, at 08:48, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Should we make random standard now? We don't live in the 90's anymore,
> > and a system really can't function w/o randomness anymore???
>
> There is a case to be made for making it default in all/most kernel
> configs.
>
> I disagree on making it compulsory in all cases, as very small embedded
> systems can easily argue for not having it.
How will it talk w/ the out side world? w/o random, No sshd, no
https... providing randomness is a core component of a modern OS...
If you're really going for small embeded, you don't want FreeBSD, or
if you do, you're willing to do the work to manually rip a lot more
out of the standard kernel than just the random driver... My stripped
down i386 kernel is still over 6MB in size...
> > I'm fine w/ making the various random mixers options, but the core
> > random infrastructure and /dev/u?random should be standard now???
>
> There is some compulsory infrastructure; this gets you the ???dummy???
> driver which just blocks and never delivers anything.
Plus, you'd need to turn off the entropy boot script among other
things...
If you can demonstrate a usable system w/o much modifications that
runs w/ the dummy interface, or no boot random, that I'll drop my
suggestion... I'll try removing random tomorrow and see what breaks...
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