Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:29:32 -0600 From: Justin Hibbits <chmeeedalf@gmail.com> To: Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.net>, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su>, Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <20200130112932.46ccb9fe@titan.knownspace> In-Reply-To: <B1F155C4-5C20-4E33-9420-DF7D67253083@gid.co.uk> References: <CAPyFy2Aa6Uj0nyQ1Y_KPLd7%2BROJ4xW5i-SpctV1sRVK_BivPHw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2D91v7SwjZOgMG0a9V%2BH6GVCF8NHKp341N8mwnCvA71cA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BP3hFHuFJyo2M-5pc0%2BCmRiyym1TZ81P5xicR4zED1JQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo%2BGOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi%2BTdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com> <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> <D140BA2A-71F3-4574-9015-675950705AF2@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <78425.1580332298@critter.freebsd.dk> <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net> <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> <B1F155C4-5C20-4E33-9420-DF7D67253083@gid.co.uk>
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:37 +0000 Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > > On 29 Jan 2020, at 21:36, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> > > wrote: > > > > -------- > > In message > > <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net>, > > Emmanuel Vadot writes: > >>> RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in > >>> particular for educators. > >> > >> In what way ? > >> Real answer only. > > > > 1. Schools can get them through their usual suppliers of educational > > material, with a pretty decent discount, and with educational > > courses and materials, pretty much ready to go. > > > > 2. Most "maker-space" atuned electronics pushers carry them. > > > > 3. Big electronics pushers carry them. > > > > In re 1-3: No customs processing of shipment involved. > > > > 4. Cost, including shipping is below "trivial" threshold in most > > organizations. > > RPi zero in particular is cheap enough to treat as a component. This is probably the most compelling argument on this thread for finding someone with somewhat deep pockets to get involved. Broadcom won't listen to educators, hackers, or hobbyists, they'll only listen to large piles of money. Someone (company) needs to be in a position to tell Broadcom "Hey, we want to use the RPi Zero (or the SoC in it) in our product, running FreeBSD. Help us out." Otherwise, they ignore us at no peril to them. Saying "We ignore it at our peril" makes great rhetoric, but it's not at all actionable. Without usable documentation, there's no way anyone would do the work needed. > > > -- > > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by > > incompetence. > > -- > Bob Bishop > rb@gid.co.uk - Justin
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