Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 09:29:01 -0400 From: Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <20200616092901.000002f7@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaX=AG7gi_2B0srPdJ6hGxaO%2B61APREHOL8WmUKvO8s%2Bt%2Bg@mail.gmail.com> References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <13115.1592302784@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20200616071153.00006f4d@seibercom.net> <CA%2B4TWFuWN1BV=FftC1xNCYRgqwX%2BCb=wMg_L9MxFHx17Nzjm5Q@mail.gmail.com> <20200616075548.000066f1@seibercom.net> <20200616140416.bd7b8bf2.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B4TWFtgaMkJWAOuvEpSg2TOo2hrG-P7EHJUigCQwgQw3iXtWQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B4TWFvf7w=4djQfWLtXhqmip0Rb72Js6BbOW=F_gUkufXuQFw@mail.gmail.com> <CAGBxaX=AG7gi_2B0srPdJ6hGxaO%2B61APREHOL8WmUKvO8s%2Bt%2Bg@mail.gmail.com>
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--Sig_/.c/XivGW/7e1EeY=EFa6afr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:50:22 -0400, Aryeh Friedman commented: >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:28 AM Chris Knipe <savage@savage.za.org> >wrote: > >> https://imgur.com/a/eW01Zc2 Your own message - a very good example >> of what's wrong with it. Straight from gmail. In outlook (for >> example, which has a narrower reading plane), it will be even worse, >> as even -more- scrolling would be required. >> =20 > >Reading the original message on gmail was no problem for me nor >unreadable in any way (you must have your gmail configured in some >f'ed up way!). I just read that message in both Gmail and Outlook, the program not the web site, and it presented itself quite well. >> We don't use 640x480 monitors anymore (hell, not even our SSH >> sessions run at these low resolutions and 80 col / 25 rows anymore) >> - we're way past that as well... Whilst I now have to scroll up and >> down to read your message, I could have seen your entire message in >> one screen without the need to scroll up and down. >> =20 > >Maybe if you have *perfect* eyesight you could see it on one screen! >(Not everyone is 18 and has vision better than most fighter pilots). > And you might be wrong about the row/col count of some/most SSH (X > based terminal >apps) for example on a 1920x1080 monitor (27") my 50 year old eyes need >37x135 (not that much larger than 25x80) when using a xfce terminal, >the default font size is unreadable even with 1.75 diopter reading >glasses (which are not needed if I use the above resolution). >Before you go crazy about how everything can be done via a GUI I have >one question: are you a programmer or a sysadmin? (if not then you >have no idea of how useful a command line is vs. the GUI). I am not a doctor; however, I am quite aware of how detrimental to your health a projectile fired into your skull can be. Your equivalenced of profession to knowledge is a fallacy. Many people study other job skills although they have no intention of even entering the field actively. >> What's the most efficient? I guess that's a matter of opinion too. >> =20 > >If it is unreadable then it is clearly no efficient. > >> I hear what you are saying, and I am by no means suggesting sending >> a 200kb email, with 10mb of HTML embedded in it either, but we are >> WAY past, 80 col, 25 rows... It would be interesting to see how >> 80x25 actually looks on today's say, 34" monitors (or whatever the >> entry level monitors are these days) >> =20 > >Entry level from my local computer superstore (microcenter) is 25" and >I am sure I would have an even lower resolution there. So no we are >*NOT* way past 25x80, you are just being dense and an elitist to say >otherwise. 1) Not everybody buys the bargain basement item. 2) Time is a moving target. Your definition of "way past" is solely based on your own opinions and observations. Personally, for me anyway, once a train has left the station, it is gone. Obviously, everyone has their own opinion on relevancy and suitability to task. 3) In virtually all cases, I never buy the entry level product of any line. It is almost always the first one to go obsolete and/or not be supported by its creators. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/.c/XivGW/7e1EeY=EFa6afr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7oyR0ACgkQOHMGOIfe xWSj1Qf+J9WU8zz0F7ljtrBfHGVhx+uX7GSG/XWof16tcKbjqLiKFbupDKhGiqMe do60TzOyrp/6O661bJ5MMtyqbduD31CuqtzneFgW0B9m2kxPEYRHAqx5QcoHPNIN ZZB3wvOA8dtrcXHurdQ92mhnW2Sp/W1PYqUjtOZmBXpUqKETDd+kkxfU6JbRw+Ht syazf4R6XC4c/jV6D2HPzcluktShjbxLFXyLi7earWyJ0StkRF915hFaSvprsibW gRHZdTrzLDvBY7oTEJcrYPswqIK1ESN5BFrnvoOd2hQ4yaXvSKAXowxrQzUBRMnF 9/AaLBnmFd4MxlYPJ5oHjsFydP4jhQ== =Lwpz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/.c/XivGW/7e1EeY=EFa6afr--
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