Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 06:32:14 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> To: David Wolfskill <david@catwhisker.org> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Has the update procedure changed? Message-ID: <20230810063214.1b694140e7c284e51154fe35@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <ZNOLfRFoumQam4Lc@albert.catwhisker.org> References: <CAN6yY1tiq4XQT_apnLo_aDgoMPEZ%2BZ4PfB8uqfMw3PeJbMGMqw@mail.gmail.com> <7A0E604D-EF40-4F10-B597-F1F076507192@gmail.com> <CAN6yY1teCLbtaN6V-fQqa0WTvrbWaOjy%2BB7F=bSq3t0Ue_ROVw@mail.gmail.com> <ZNEXzR0IL7%2BIDShe@c720-r368166> <CAN6yY1tFAxofH1JfkwfAZGuZ96BcvHHErS=64jWFr2E1zMha6w@mail.gmail.com> <20230809213822.950a3c337ec86c102dcbd235@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <ZNOLfRFoumQam4Lc@albert.catwhisker.org>
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 05:50:05 -0700 David Wolfskill <david@catwhisker.org> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 09:38:22PM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > ... > > > > Please correct me if I'm missing something. > > I use source update for years and not using bsdinstall nor > > freebsd-update. > > > > Does bsdinstall (and/or freebsd-update) create the first current tree > > for etcupdate, if not yet exists? > > > > This would be most confusing and harmful point of etcupdate. > > When I first tried etcupdate, I didn't noticed that I needed > > `etcupdate extract -B` BEFORE UPDATING src tree. > > Without this, etcupdate cannot detect what should be updated, even if a > > plenty of updates are required. > > > > At the moment, I must use mergemaster, and after that, `etcupdate > > extract -B` for next run. > > > > I think bsdinstall can create current tree, which is turned over to old > > tree on actual run, for etcupdate. > > So do freebsd-update. It would be able to create current tree JUST > > BEFORE INSTALLING UPDATE. > > > > I was helped by mergemaster, but after it completely retires, features > > above should be mandatory. > > .... > > TL;DR: Please see the "Bootstrapping" section of etcupdate(8). I know. ;-) I'm using etcupdate when it first MFC'ed to latest stable branch ATM, and bitten at the first time. Anyone not familiar with etcupdate would bitten by forgotton bootstrapping. :-( > Details: I have been doing source-based updates of FreeBSD since around > 1999. As such, I used mergemaster for a long time, and got used to it. > > With the switch to git, the $FreeBSD$ lines in config files became ... > well, misleading noise. And since mergemaster tried to use them, that > didn't work very well. This provided the incentive I needed to switch > to etcupdate. > > And... yeah; there was a "learning curve." And the "bootstrapping" bit > is necessary. But it has worked well for me since. Yes. But if bsdinstall and freebsd-update automatically bootstrap etcupdate if not yet done, newbies and casual users wouldn't be bitten. For source-based update users like us, *Bootstrapping section of man page should be near the top, for example, betweem DESCRIPTION and MODES section, not inside EXAMPLES section. *Also documented in UPDATING (or new document for common instructions) and handbook. should be needed. etcupdate cannot extract old tree from already-updated src. So anyone forgotton bootstrapping is forced to roll back src for bootstrapping and roll forward again BEFORE installworld, once mergemaster dissapears. > > Peace, > david > -- > David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org > Given Trump's claims about fairness in elections, his notion of a > "fair trial" is almost certainly at variance with objective reality. > > See https://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. -- Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
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