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Date:      Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:04:51 +0100
From:      sthaug@nethelp.no
To:        mike@smith.net.au
Cc:        dcs@newsguy.com, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-admin@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 3.0-19981226-SNAP/src/ssys.ac is corrupt 
Message-ID:  <24748.915440691@verdi.nethelp.no>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:32:06 -0800"
References:  <199901040832.AAA11061@dingo.cdrom.com>

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> > > There's nothing wrong with this file - the problem is somewhere on
> > > your end, or between our two sites.  There's absolutely nothing we
> > > can do about it here.
> > 
> > Err... I happen to have seen the exact same problem. I tried four
> > times to install the sys sources, and each time the connection would
> > stop at the precise same point.
...
> This is usually a "magic byte sequence" which blows the brains out of 
> something in the transit path.  We've seen a few of these.

Maybe it should be investigated more closely. I see the same problem
from three different hosts here in Norway, connected via two different
ISPs and using very different paths:

1. From hegre.uninett.no:

traceroute to usw2.freebsd.org (209.180.6.226), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  unit-gw.unit.no (129.241.1.2)  2.010 ms  3.109 ms  1.165 ms
 2  trdS-gw (129.241.181.15)  1.670 ms  5.680 ms  1.326 ms
 3  osloS-gw (128.39.46.1)  8.051 ms  8.014 ms  9.111 ms
 4  no-gw2.nordu.net (128.39.2.1)  9.539 ms  8.289 ms  8.386 ms
 5  sw-gw.nordu.net (193.10.252.149)  19.024 ms  18.836 ms  19.853 ms
 6  us-gw.nordu.net (193.10.252.138)  116.364 ms  118.197 ms  117.190 ms
 7  gin-nyy-core1.Teleglobe.net (207.45.202.17)  117.310 ms  118.283 ms  117.313 ms
 8  gin-nyy-bb1.Teleglobe.net (207.45.223.170)  117.740 ms  119.055 ms  120.379 ms
 9  Serial1-0-1.GW2.NYC2.ALTER.NET (157.130.5.217)  120.275 ms Serial0-1-0.GW2.NYC2.ALTER.NET (157.130.4.165)  119.525 ms Serial1-0-1.GW2.NYC2.ALTER.NET (157.130.5.217)  118.513 ms
10  144.ATM2-0.XR2.NYC1.ALTER.NET (146.188.178.150)  122.257 ms  118.006 ms  119.339 ms
11  194.ATM3-0.TR2.NYC1.ALTER.NET (146.188.178.198)  119.394 ms  118.765 ms  121.182 ms
12  104.ATM7-0.TR2.CHI4.ALTER.NET (146.188.136.153)  141.189 ms  141.879 ms  140.252 ms
13  198.ATM6-0.XR2.CHI6.ALTER.NET (146.188.209.1)  141.568 ms  141.105 ms  140.681 ms
14  190.ATM8-0-0.GW2.MSP1.ALTER.NET (146.188.209.125)  154.812 ms  154.971 ms  155.309 ms
15  uswmsp-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (157.130.96.166)  149.941 ms  149.431 ms  150.794 ms
16  207.225.159.220 (207.225.159.220)  150.013 ms  149.056 ms  148.990 ms
17  usw2.freebsd.org (209.180.6.226)  150.841 ms  149.249 ms  151.275 ms

2. From newsfeed1.telia.no:

traceroute to usw2.freebsd.org (209.180.6.226), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  194.19.1.49 (194.19.1.49)  0.963 ms  0.854 ms  0.834 ms
 2  194.19.1.94 (194.19.1.94)  1.441 ms  1.665 ms  1.308 ms
 3  194.19.1.146 (194.19.1.146)  19.590 ms  20.661 ms  19.916 ms
 4  apv-c2-fddi5-0-core.stockholm.telia.net (194.22.194.253)  15.771 ms  14.808 ms  14.310 ms
 5  apv-i1-feth4-0-0-ix.stockholm.telia.net (195.67.232.8)  14.443 ms  16.892 ms  15.514 ms
 6  ny-i1-pos4-0-0-int-newyork.telia.net (194.17.0.250)  111.639 ms  110.964 ms  110.338 ms
 7  209.95.130.138 (209.95.130.138)  112.581 ms  113.056 ms  111.801 ms
 8  MAE-East-hssi2-0-int.vienna.telia.net (209.95.128.37)  119.952 ms  118.003 ms  117.990 ms
 9  maeeast2.bbnplanet.net (198.32.186.2)  131.367 ms  123.608 ms  127.574 ms
10  p2-2.vienna1-nbr2.bbnplanet.net (4.0.1.93)  123.232 ms  117.797 ms  120.134 ms
11  p3-1.nyc4-nbr2.bbnplanet.net (4.0.3.130)  120.709 ms  127.382 ms  121.752 ms
12  p1-0.nyc4-nbr3.bbnplanet.net (4.0.5.26)  123.863 ms  124.764 ms  123.996 ms
13  p2-1.chicago1-nbr1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.3.121)  146.194 ms  144.213 ms  140.665 ms
14  p10-0-0.chicago1-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.5.89)  150.874 ms  139.794 ms  138.179 ms
15  h1-0.minneapol1-cr1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.2.18)  151.672 ms  150.914 ms  151.956 ms
16  h1-0.uswest-mn.bbnplanet.net (4.0.246.254)  154.703 ms  148.461 ms  148.034 ms
17  207.225.159.220 (207.225.159.220)  149.299 ms  154.605 ms  151.377 ms
18  usw2.freebsd.org (209.180.6.226)  167.212 ms  156.491 ms *

The only points in common for these two traceroutes are usw2.freebsd.org,
and the router at 207.225.159.220. That should narrow the field
sufficiently that it's possible to investigate. It's the same file I'm
trying to fetch (3.0-19981226-SNAP/src/ssys.ac). Also, I've tried it from
both FreeBSD and SunOS 4.1.4 clients. Same problem.

A tcpdump shows no packets from usw2.freebsd.org after a certain point,
which is consistent with the FTP session hanging:

...
10:01:22.655241 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: . 156985:158433(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.655569 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: . 158433:159881(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.658650 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: . 159881:161329(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.659172 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: . 161329:162777(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.665906 129.241.1.42.1169 > 209.180.6.226.59113: . ack 159881 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 8540842 919238> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.669349 129.241.1.42.1169 > 209.180.6.226.59113: . ack 162777 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 8540842 919238> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.679161 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: . 162777:164225(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.680143 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: . 164225:165673(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.695234 129.241.1.42.1169 > 209.180.6.226.59113: . ack 165673 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 8540842 919238> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.789428 209.180.6.226.59113 > 129.241.1.42.1169: P 165673:167121(1448) ack 1 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 919238 8540842> (DF) [tos 0x8]
10:01:22.914620 129.241.1.42.1169 > 209.180.6.226.59113: . ack 167121 win 17376 <nop,nop,timestamp 8540842 919238> (DF) [tos 0x8]

(no more from the remote end. Always at the same point.)

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no

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