Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:19:27 -0700 From: "Murray Stokely" <murray@stokely.org> To: "Jeremy Chadwick" <koitsu@freebsd.org> Cc: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for freebsd.org Message-ID: <2a7894eb0803190819la4fe2e4pc8a38187343b9e96@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20080319091659.GA8969@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <2a7894eb0803172207s20aede75w5632bd463654cc77@mail.gmail.com> <slrnftuvo3.71v.vadim_nuclight@hostel.avtf.net> <2a7894eb0803180812u147de98cnb7cdbfe1e6fe6562@mail.gmail.com> <slrnfu1j7d.1vt6.vadim_nuclight@hostel.avtf.net> <20080319091659.GA8969@eos.sc1.parodius.com>
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Apparently there is a MoinMoin plugin for voting that we're going to
look at. This doesn't really seem to be exactly what we're looking
for because we are not looking to hold elections -- we want to accept
new items, allow users to vote and comment on existing items, and
present a sorted list of the most highly ranked items, so I'd still be
happy if anyone can present other solutions we should investigate.
- Murray
On 3/19/08, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:21:01AM +0000, Vadim Goncharov wrote:
> > >> No. Not PHP. Ever. Forget.
> > >>
> > >> It should at least cgi or, as aforemetioned, a wiki-like page. There can be
> > >> already some wiki engines which allow voting.
> > > I've not seen any useful voting mechanism implemented on a wiki.
> > > Pointers? CGI is exactly the kind of 15 year old stagnant web
> > > technology we are trying to get away from. We need quick templating,
> > > sessions, high level UI libraries, etc..
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > All of which things like PHP, Python/Django, etc.. provide.
> >
> > They all provide, except PHP :) Every serious PHP project is reinventing
> > template system, database abastraction layers
>
>
> Because PHP's DBI implementation sucks horribly. One of the worst
> things about it is that it doesn't support placeholders/binds in query
> strings. Another horrible aspect is that there's a separate API
> function name per DBI, rather than using a standard calling convention
> and let you pick a database driver to use (like perl and most other
> languages).
>
> The only reason people use PHP -- and that includes me (yes, I speak
> fluent PHP) -- is because it's *convenient*. It interfaces with
> webservers in a much "nicer" way, and has a significant number of API
> functions that are more web-friendly than, say, perl.
>
> And don't even get me started on how to debug PHP. I hope you enjoy
> using print/echo repetitively throughout code.
>
> I have no interest in Python, because any language which treats
> whitespace and tabs differently can rot (even assemblers don't behave
> this way!). And I will strangle whoever recommends Ruby or Ruby on
> Rails.
>
>
> > > - Murray (who doesn't know/use PHP, but knows that the freebsd
> > > web presence is notably missing something like it)
> >
> > Anything but PHP. Don't choose that buggy, slow, immanently insecure
> > technology. Please.
> >
> > P.S. You can see http://tnx.nl/php for a short summary of PHP drawbacks. Even
> > Perl is much better.
>
>
> I would agree with this. One can accomplish great things with
> p5-libwww.
>
> The existing CMSs out there (for both PHP and perl) are either horribly
> written, or bloated beyond belief. The same goes for most Wiki
> software, again regardless of PHP or perl.
>
> Then again, all said comments are coming from a person who's very much a
> minimalist. :-)
>
>
> --
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