Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:23:08 -0600 From: jacks@sage-american.com To: Stephen Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: this spam Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011126092308.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10111260904060.23332-100000@buffnet11.buffne t.net> References: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
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Stephen: You are rigt and that was my very point earlier.... it may be okay to suggest that a mailserver administrator decide what is spam, until he decides it is YOUR emails... that's way too much powe to give to a single person or place... then censorship sets in without bounds to some who go to extremes.... people being people... I can spot spam 99% of the time without opening the message... only that 1% of the time do I open one and then delete... a lot less effort. I doubt if spam will ever be stopped, but I don't mind those who look for tools to slow it down... until THEY want to decide what I should or shouldn't read! ...Plain censorship! At 09:04 AM 11.26.2001 -0500, Stephen Hovey wrote: > >Wow that was very nice of you - I dont give up - all I said was, dont get >all wound up and sick over it. > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey >> >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >Subject: Re: this spam >> > >> > >> > >> >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a >> >daily issue of it in my work.. >> > >> >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, >> >an act of gymnastics.. >> > >> >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER >> >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... >> > >> >Never do business with a spammer.. >> > >> >Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. >> > >> >> Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've >> seen >> some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after >> they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small >> amount >> of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) >> >> While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, >> that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the >> Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, >> that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating >> each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being >> responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to >> expend >> in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the >> effort >> that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message >> for >> ALL of them. >> >> Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have >> the >> same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you >> can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for >> complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is >> postponing >> the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the >> Internet >> cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's >> your >> right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the >> efforts >> of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading >> your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. >> >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >> Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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