Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:51:26 -0400 From: Jim Durham <durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Cc: jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On Holy Wars, and a Plea for Peace [sorry Danny, wherever you are, but the title fits]... Message-ID: <3356C58E.41C67EA6@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> References: <4626.861257826@time.cdrom.com>
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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I don't know where you live, but they can be found at both Fry's and > "Weird Stuff" - two popular Bay Area computer outlets. Fry's, (snip) > I've also seen copies at Cody's bookstore in Berkeley, a popular > hangout for CS types. More linux stuff, naturally, but they at least > had FreeBSD in the retail box in their OS section. I believe you can > also find them at Computer Literacy, though I haven't checked recently. A large bookseller in the Midwest is Barnes and Noble. They are trendy (coffeeshop, live musicians and all that). There are probably 9-10 of the huge shelf units full of Bill's stuff (M$) and one full of Linux stuff. There is a shelf unit devoted to misc operating systems. It had one book on BSD, no mention of FreeBSD at all. Most of it was Apple and Mac stuff. There was actually more Linux than Mac in the store. Computer shows in the Pittsburgh area have quite a few Linux CD Roms available. I have only seen FreeBSD once in several years and not at all in the last couple of shows. Where I work (mobile video production company), we hired some bozos to put in a network a year and a half ago (NT with 95 workstations replacing a Novell/DOS network, *still* not working properly). There are two of us in engineering that suggested Unix instead. We were hooted down with "Oh No, it's full of security holes!" and "Nobody can understand it!" and "It won't run Windows!". It's amazing what the perception of Unix is outside CS circles. I've even been told "Don't admit you use Unix, it will look bad for you!" The two major universities here, Pitt and CMU are running a lot of Linux in the CS departments, but in the offices they're using M$. There's no FreeBSD in academia here that I'm aware of. A few CDs to both of these CS departments would be worthwhile, I think. -Jim Durham
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