Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:52:21 -0700 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> To: Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com> Cc: Kris Kennaway <kris@hub.freebsd.org>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI DMA lockups in 3.2 (3.3 maybe?) Message-ID: <3849FD95.F0434263@softweyr.com> References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.9912041823460.94804-100000@hub.freebsd.org> <199912050514.VAA58998@apollo.backplane.com>
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Matthew Dillon wrote:
>
> :
> :Since I'm one of the existing FreeBSD people you're probably referring to
> :here, let me remind you of the actual content:
> :
> :Dennis said the following:
> :
> :> The nightmare of instability of 3.x continues whilst the braintrust
> :> flogs away at 4.x. Its really a damn shame. And why is 3.x so much
> :> slower than 2.2.8? Will 4.0 be slower yet?
> :
> :Note the apparently belligerent tone, including use of emotionally charged
> :language and sudden change of topic. Now, when someone makes a wild,
> :authoritative yet unsupported statement like this, I think it's only
> :reasonable to ask for some evidence. If I sounded facetious when I said:
>
> He didn't say this until after the situation had started to degrade.
>
> Besides, he's right. 3.x has serious problems.
All running software has serious problems, that's why it is never considered
done. Taking the time to enumerate specific problems that are currently
plaguing an installation is the only way anyone can possibly hope to help.
Problems reports of "It don't work" are helpful to absolutely noone.
> For a while I had
> good hopes for 4.x but so many things have been changed gratuitously
> (and not by me!) that I'm beginning to worry about 4.x as well. I think
> the problem is that we split the tree too early and everyone moved to
> developing on 4.x.
>
> Perhaps this time around we should not split out the 5.x tree until we've
> gotten past the 4.1 release. It's something to think about.
Finally, a well-thought-out message in this thread. I'd say rather than
rubber-stamping it at 4.1, perhaps stretch it to "a 4.x that we'd recommend
to Yahoo!" Of course, 4.1 *should* be that stable.
--
"Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"
Wes Peters Softweyr LLC
wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/
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