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Date:      Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:31:29 +0900
From:      "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Vivek Khera <khera@kciLink.com>, Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.ORG>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer  kernels
Message-ID:  <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007092043510.33246-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com>

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Greg Lehey wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  I tried it out and found a number of things I didn't like
> about it.  Basically, it's a completely different build process:
> 
> 1.  Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree.
>     There's no good reason for this.

make buildkernel -DNOCLEAN

See also:

#       -DNO_KERNELCONFIG do not run config in ${MAKE} buildkernel
#       -DNO_KERNELDEPEND do not run ${MAKE} depend in ${MAKE}
buildkernel

> 2.  It builds in a different tree (/usr/obj instead of
>     /usr/src/sys/compile).  

Is this a problem by itself? Having a RO /usr/src is good. :-)

>     These two points mean that if you later
>     want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter,
>     say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you
>     have to go the whole nine yards.

See #1.

> 3.  It gives the kernel a different name.

It _installs_ kernel with a different name. That makes it possible for
one to keep multiple kernels lying around / easily. Granted, few people
need that. I heard that this has been corrected in -current now. If so,
*PLEASE MERGE THIS ASAP TO STABLE*. Asking people on stable to change
their ways twice over the same thing is asbolutely unreasonable.

Personally, I prefer different names, even though it annoyed the hell
out of me at first. Until I changed my /boot/loader.conf :).

> 4.  It's just plain clumsy.

MMmmm? In what way? A single command line does all the work for me,
including variations on running config, with and without -r, and making
depend or not.

Perhaps your average kernel building procedure is much more complex than
mine was...

-- 
Daniel C. Sobral			(8-DCS)
dcs@newsguy.com
dcs@freebsd.org
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