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Date:      Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:12:04 +0100
From:      Borja Marcos <borjam@sarenet.es>
To:        Jan Behrens <jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de>
Cc:        Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>, Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-fs <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: ZFS snapdir readability (Crosspost)
Message-ID:  <3C5DC6DD-C44B-41EE-B7AB-6D8F94E43174@sarenet.es>
In-Reply-To: <20191120175803.03401c3316fe756cc46f79f1@magnetkern.de>
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> On 20 Nov 2019, at 17:58, Jan Behrens <jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> With "mounting snapshots", I meant mounting snapshots that are already
> existent in a ZFS pool. Receiving a snapshot and creating a new
> filesystem from it is a different issue. In that case, you can use
> "zfs receive -u" and mount the file system manually under a directory =
with
> a parent directory that is chmod 700, as in option (d).

What I mean is, there is no snapshot mount functionality. If you want to =
access the
contents of a snapshot you either rollback it or you clone it. There is =
no mount. Or of
course you access the =E2=80=9C.zfs" directory.

Which makes me realize that the =E2=80=9C.zfs" directory feature is an =
odd anomaly (ie
a bloody kludge) in an otherwise really clean and consistent design.

Why?

1. There is no accessible facility for the read only mount of a =
snapshot. Yet
the system mounts them by default.

2. Because of (1) you can=E2=80=99t control where to mount them. They =
are mounted
there. Period.=20

3. You can=E2=80=99t prevent it. You can hide the .zfs directory but =
its=E2=80=99s still there,
with the snapshots mounted.=20


> Mounting is not the same as cloning and mounting. But you are right: =
If
> snapshots are cloned first, you can specify the mountpoint. But then
> you are mounting a new file system and not a snapshot technically.
> Which brings us back to option (a) never mount snapshots ever ;-)
>=20
> Given that we can prohibit the automounting of all snapshots, it would
> be a nice workaround which would not have too much overhead.

I would rather prefer if that option didn=E2=80=99t exist. Given that it =
can=E2=80=99t be removed now
because it would surely break someone=E2=80=99s work, the most important =
tweak that
can be done is to allow the administrator to supress it completely.=20

So, zfs set snapdir=3Ddisabled.=20

Limiting it by uid won=E2=80=99t necessarily be enough as you should =
also take into
account systems in which different securty enforcement mechanisms are =
used.
(MAC policies like mls, biba, etc). And adding a generalized way to deal =
with
this would probably be too complex.=20









Borja.=



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