Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:09:24 -0200 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@tcoip.com.br> To: Mike Makonnen <mtm@identd.net> Cc: Gordon Tetlow <gordont@gnf.org>, current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Doug Barton <DougB@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RC NG, ntp and routed Message-ID: <3DF86054.7000400@tcoip.com.br> In-Reply-To: <20021210024350.GC16008@matrix.identd.net> References: <20021210024350.GC16008@matrix.identd.net> <20021210162208.GJ45512@roark.gnf.org> <3DF61DE4.9070205@tcoip.com.br> <20021210225014.GA22267@matrix.identd.net> <20021211002318.GT45512@roark.gnf.org> <20021211054754.GA23972@matrix.identd.net> <20021211063348.GU45512@roark.gnf.org> <20021211084603.GA24584@matrix.identd.net> <20021211171527.GW45512@roark.gnf.org> <3DF775AC.40507@tcoip.com.br> <20021212053826.GB30023@matrix.identd.net>
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Mike Makonnen wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:28:12PM -0200, Daniel C. Sobral wrote:
>
> >[root@piratinga root]# ls -l /usr/local/sbin/ospfd
> >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 471392 Dec 1 00:58 /usr/local/sbin/ospfd*
> >[root@piratinga root]# ls -l /usr/local/sbin/bgpd
> >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 691952 Dec 1 00:58 /usr/local/sbin/bgpd*
>
>
> Who said anything about moving ports into /? I meant the routing
> daemons in /usr/sbin. But as Gordon pointed out that's still
> quite a bit of disk space.
I mean that routed is _one_ routing daemon, one that supports the old,
would someone please shot it in the head to give it peace, RIP. If you
happen to run a modern routing protocol... hell, if you happen to run a
middle-aged routing protocol, you'll be using something else.
And, since you do not seem to be aware of it, Zebra, for one, is run as...
router_enable="YES"
router="/usr/local/sbin/zebractl"
router_flags="start"
ie, it is run by /etc/rc.d/routed. A very good thing, in fact, since one
_needs_ it to be run early.
So, please, let's not assume one is using routed(8), just like we do not
assume one is using sendmail(8).
> >And all this because... people don't want to break fs mounting in local
> >and remote?
> >
> >I saw break it, and have routing run after local. If your /usr is
> >remote, then either you'll copy routed (or whatever you use) to a local
> >disk, or you won't be using it.
> >
> >People, let's face it. There *ARE* things you want to be run *after*
> >local fs mount and *before* remote fs mount. And we are hurting
> >ourselves in a few places just because we haven't admitted to it.
>
>
> I don't understand what you are saying. Why would we have routing run
> after
> local filesystems are mounted but before the network is up?
Not before network is up. Before one mounts remote filesystems. Network
is _not_ up until routing is in place. For most configurations, that is
done in network2 (see defaultrouter). For a few, it needs routed.
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