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Date:      Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:29:38 -0700
From:      Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
Cc:        "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@over-yonder.net>
Subject:   Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x
Message-ID:  <3FFF1D42.90408@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0401091252150.48456-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>

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Julian Elischer wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:50:59PM -0800 I heard the voice of
>>Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
>>
>>>While it is indeed true that most machines since 1997 will support this
>>>CD format, please take in to account:
>>
>>And, further, some of us don't have (and don't want) CD burners, and even
>>if we had 'em, don't want to burn (no pun intended ;) a CD blank just to
>>install an OS, when we can just (re-)use 2 floppies and do it across the
>>LAN from a local FTP mirror, which is as fast as a CD drive anyway.
>>
>>It seems to me that we could split more out into modules, and/or add more
>>disks of modules (maybe categorize a "storage device" modules disk, a
>>"network drivers" modules disk, etc, keeping just the more common devices
>>in the main kernel).  Last I saw, the current system only created a
>>single modules disk, which was a godsend to a kernel overflowing one
>>disk, but as we add more and more stuff becomes another, albeit larger,
>>noose.
> 
> 
> Here at Vicor, we have over a thousand machines spread over about 
> 20 sites. About 10 of those machines have cdrom drives. Our plans call
> for moving from 4.x to 5.x, probably at the end of 2004, maybe early
> 2005. Most of the machien swill not have been replaced by then so 
> we'll still have very few cdroms. 
> Luckily this would probably not be an issue for the upgrade, but
> the Custommer Engineers (CEs) need to be able to rebuild machine quickly
> in the case of disk failures or other problems. They use floppies at the
> moment for this.
> 
> I could immagine that a floppy that did a net-boot might 
> be a possibility, but retraining them to do things differently is
> always a problem.
> 
> 

Can these machines netboot/PXEboot?  In any case, there looks to be some
prospects for someone stepping forward to help with floppies.  If Vicor
wants to help out too, that would be wonderful.

Scott


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