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Date:      Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:52:45 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        tlambert@primenet.com, alk@pobox.com, gary@eyelab.psy.msu.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to talk to dialups
Message-ID:  <4.2.0.58.19990928184900.04799cc0@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <199909290047.RAA16032@usr07.primenet.com>
References:  <4.2.0.58.19990928184147.047569c0@localhost>

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At 12:47 AM 9/29/99 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote:

 >> We are actually more sophisticated than many for-profit ISPs.

>Sophistication != Complexity.
>
>Many ISPs have complex setups, which preclude simply implementing
>the draconian measures you advocate implementing "across the board".

Ah, but they're not draconian. Our membership overwhelmingly favored
them.

>For many ISPs, there is no "across the board", or the number of
>service classes is so large that you can not easily divide all
>of the machines into a role per service class.

We have multiple levels of membership -- analogous to the "service
classes" of a for-profit ISP. And some of those levels leave the
decision to filter (or not to) up to the member. 

The only complaint we have ever had: One member with a fixed IP
and a "nailed-up" dialup line recently complained that we were NOT
fltering for them. We went over one day, during lunch hour, and helped 
them set up their server to do so.

--Brett



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