Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:40:15 -0800 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: Ed Schouten <ed@80386.nl> Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The strangeness called `sbin' Message-ID: <4EBDC06F.6020907@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20111111112821.GP2164@hoeg.nl> References: <20111110123919.GF2164@hoeg.nl> <4EBC4B6E.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <20111111112821.GP2164@hoeg.nl>
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On 11/11/2011 03:28, Ed Schouten wrote: > Hello Doug, > > * Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, 20111110 23:08: >> This particular proposal though I personally am confused about, and I >> apologize if I missed something obvious, but what is the value of making >> this change? I've read the thread so far, and I understand that the >> hysterical raisins that prompted the creation of sbin may or may not >> still apply, but I haven't yet understood what we would gain by moving >> everything. > > Simplicity. Personally I don't see that as a good enough reason to deal with the disruption that this change would cause. > Right now we have binaries executed by users installed in > five different places. I give bachelor courses on (embedded) > Linux/FreeBSD systems administration and software development and > explaining to them why it is done this way is getting tiresome. If it takes you more than 2 minutes, you're doing it wrong. :) > But the point is: there are quite some tools in */sbin that should be > moved to */bin. I can at least point out 15 of them. Why don't we discuss those specifics first? > Moving these tools > around requires the same amount of effort as simply getting rid of sbin. For those individual tools, yes. But you're discounting the collateral damage. > If I have to decide on which of these to work, I'd choose the latter, > because as far as I know, sbin has no reason to exist anyway. > > Also, it probably causes even less of a burden on our users, because > `make installworld' will simply force them to migrate, while if we move > binaries around, we can only hope that the user runs `make delete-old'. Um, if 'make installworld' were to delete existing stuff that would be an overwhelming POLA violation. Doug -- "We could put the whole Internet into a book." "Too practical." Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/
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