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Date:      Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:27:28 +0100
From:      Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>
To:        blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org" <freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD amd64 GENERIC kernel
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On 12/15/17 13:03, blubee blubeeme wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 12/15/17 11:34, blubee blubeeme wrote:
>>
>>> I feel like you're talking at something and not understanding my
>>> objectives.
>>> It's pretty simple: replace ALSA w/ upstreamed OSS.
>>>
>>
>> I think you need to dig a bit more into the code itself to see what are
>> the actual differences before I can say if your idea is good or not. I'm
>> sorry, but I don't know opensound's code well enough to comment further on
>> this.
>>
>> FreeBSD's implementation of OSS is missing a few features that hamstring
>>> the development on FreeBSD.
>>>
>>
>> What are those features exactly? Why can't they be implemented in
>> FreeBSD's sound stack?
>>
>> Also, why would FreeBSD want to maintain it's own implementation of an open
>>> source project?
>>>
>> I believe this has been discussed before and maybe there are more threads
>> around which will answer your question.
>>
>> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/163/
>>
>>
>>> What part of oss source:
>>> https://sourceforge.net/p/opensound/git/ci/master/tree/
>>> is a binary blob?
>>>
>>>
>> OK, I see the source code is available and that "audio/oss" is compiled
>> from source.
>>
>> --HPS
>>

Hi,

Can you answer my questions please? I feel like arguing with a bot.

You claim:

FreeBSD's implementation of OSS is missing a few features that hamstring 
the development on FreeBSD.

I ask:

What are those features exactly?
Why can't they be implemented in FreeBSD's sound stack?

--HPS

> This is exactly what I am talking about.
> FreeBSD OSS implementation is better, let's update it:
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/RyanBeasley
> That was created in 2008 and never touched a day after, why?
> 
> Hey guys why don't you use oss in base, because our oss is better and we
> make it match our kernel.
> Okay great, can we update it, nope we don't have the manpower to do that.
> 
> Did "RyanBeasley (last edited 2008-06-17 21:37:27 by localhost)"
> ever come back and did any work other than create a wiki page?
> 
> So, when will FreeBSD OSS fork get in sync with what's available online
> right now?
> What's with the circular logic here?
> 




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