Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:21:28 +0200 From: Claude Buisson <clbuisson@orange.fr> To: Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots Message-ID: <50761108.9070005@orange.fr> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1v0CHXz-FE=1OZmTvY4T5SmSX5zLvrzL1PzWGMeLSmTHg@mail.gmail.com> References: <50717D35.7040106@affle.com> <1349727367645-5750424.post@n5.nabble.com> <50754E24.4040903@orange.fr> <1349873186577-5750838.post@n5.nabble.com> <5075AA96.6050101@orange.fr> <CAN6yY1v0CHXz-FE=1OZmTvY4T5SmSX5zLvrzL1PzWGMeLSmTHg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/11/2012 01:33, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Claude Buisson<clbuisson@orange.fr> wrote: >> On 10/10/2012 14:46, Jakub Lach wrote: >>> >>> "Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact hrs@FreeBSD.org." >>> >>> But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. >>> >> Honestly, my message was also a test about the current state of the svn to >> cvs >> gateway. Is it down without nobody taking care ? or have it been killed >> without >> a proper announcement ? >> >> I have migrated to svn, and I "enjoy" the following "benefits": >> >> - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, > > Unfortunate, but not hugely significant (Just a bit of disk space). > "bit of disk space" is your opinion, not mine. Bloat seems to be the norm, even for FreeBSD.. We are in the XXIth century isn't it ? >> - compared to cvsup, the svn update logs are too terse, and need to be >> sorted, > > Pipe the output into sort or write a script in your favorite language > to do what you want with the output. I do the latter. Script took 15 > or 20 minutes to write and test. > Thank you for your advice, but I have already done that days ago.. But the log are not more detailed. >> - the response times of svnweb.freebsd.org are nearly unbearable, at least >> from >> my small european village, > > Can't comment since I'll admit that I am pretty close to the source. I > certainly expect more mirrors to appear fairly soon. Two is not > enough. And svnweb.freebsd.org is not the best place to go from > Europe. Set it to use svn://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org and things should > improve. (Actually, snvweb is not a good place for anyone to go. It is > the web server for svn, but is not the direct source. us-west and > us-east are. > I do not speak about the svn repo here (I have used from the start us-east), but the ViewVC hosted by svnweb, which gives the equivalent of cvsweb.cgi: the history of commits, etc. >> - the disk usage more than doubled, but GBytes are cheap as say those who do >> not pay with their own wallet, >> - my backups take now a too loooonnnggg time > > svn should add about 85% to 100% to the storage required. My /usr/src > for 9-stable went from about .9G to about 1.8G. Certainly csup used > less space for its metadata, but I don't see this as a huge issue. And > I do pay from my own wallet. I have a 750 GB system disk on this > system and adding 1G is just not that big a deal. If you are seeing > substantially more spec uded, sounds like something is wrong. I am > assuming that you are NOT mirroring the archive. That would be like > mirroring CVS, not using csup and would use LOT more space. > svn keeps a pristine copy of every file in .svn/pristine, plus .svn/wc.db. And you are richer than I. > As to backup time, it should be about proportional to the size of the > backup, so adding 1G should increase backup time by less than a minute > assuming a modern, local disk as the backup device. And, since you can > download the source and ports trees any time you want, it's really not > necessary to back it up, but many backup systems may limit the ability > to not back it up. I do back up mine, though I could exclude it. > I think you are in a place where bandwith is easily available, but as I said "in my small european village" bandwith may be scare. So I took the (bad ?) habit of not take for granted the possibility of downloading source (and distfiles) just when I need it. And I backup what I have. Doing tar.xz on Atom to an USB drive is not very quick, and a P4 + NFS to the same disk is not really better. The XXIth century is not really different from the XXth, even in so called "advanced" countries. And every one has his own way of working, depending of history, context, etc. I can easily understand that developpers are happy to switch to new tools, but the question is: do FreeBSD developpers care a bit about non developpers, and take into account the real world, which is not only made of large cities, fiber optics networks, powerful servers in large data centers (BTW, I previously lived in a large city, installed fiber optics in the premices, and worked in the data center of an big engineering company..) ? >> Perharps des@ svnsup project will succeed but there not seems to be much >> activity. >> >> As an addon, according to lists.freebsd.org, svn-ports have not been updated >> since more than a day... >>> And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. >> >> >> I know, but: >> >> - there are no more "official snapshots" on freebsd.org >> - anybody enquiring about it on the lists is directed to allbsd.org >> - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited >> >> Claude Buisson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >
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