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Date:      Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:14:05 -0700
From:      Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Issues with urtwn
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So it's definitely to do with powersave. Here's a bunch of iterations of 
ifconfig list sta on my laptop:
ADDR               AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE  TXSEQ  RXSEQ CAPS FLAG
54:78:1a:a0:91:22  149    1  54M 37.0    0   4385  37104 EPS A       
HTCAP RSN WME
ADDR               AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE  TXSEQ  RXSEQ CAPS FLAG
54:78:1a:a0:91:22  149    1  54M 37.5    0   4412  39360 EPS A       
HTCAP RSN WME
ADDR               AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE  TXSEQ  RXSEQ CAPS FLAG
54:78:1a:a0:91:22  149    1  54M 37.5    0   4417  39360 EPS AP      
HTCAP RSN WME
ADDR               AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE  TXSEQ  RXSEQ CAPS FLAG
54:78:1a:a0:91:22  149    1  54M 37.5    0   4417  39360 EPS AP      
HTCAP RSN WME
ADDR               AID CHAN RATE RSSI IDLE  TXSEQ  RXSEQ CAPS FLAG
54:78:1a:a0:91:22  149    1  54M 37.5    0   4417  39360 EPS AP      
HTCAP RSN WME

You can see the connection die on the third line, when the txseq and 
rxseq counters stop incrementing and 'P' gets added to the FLAG field. 
Does this mean the AP has turned on powersave on its end?
-Nathan

On 09/07/14 14:07, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The way it's supposed to work in the legacy 802.11 powersave world is
> that you send a/any data frame with the powermgt bit in the 802.11
> header set to 0 and the AP goes "oh they're awake!" and sends you your
> buffered frames.
>
> By default powersave isn't enabled, so we should never be _telling_
> the AP that we're going to sleep and the stack always sends data
> frames with pwrmgt=0.
>
> You can ensure it's disabled by ifconfig wlan0 -powersave
>
> The code in -HEAD that manages that is in ieee80211_power.c. I added
> an explicit powersave support mode for NICs that need it done for them
> - and the only one it's enabled for right now is ath(4).
>
> The only reason net80211 sends pwrmgt changes outside of having
> net80211 power save enabled is the background scan code.
>
> I'd compile in IEEE80211_DEBUG in your kernel, then I'd use wlandebug
> +scan to see if somehow there's some scanning going on; and wlandebug
> +power to see if any power save transitions occur.
>
> Are you absolutely sure it's a receive side buffering problem, rather
> than a send side problem?
>
> It's also possible that the NIC stops receiving and the AP treats that
> as "oh ok, they've gone to sleep for a while." ath(4) now does this in
> hostap mode.
>
>
> -a
>




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