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Very helpful conversation taking place here. Is anyone currently running 10.1 on a Thinkpad x230? This seems to be the last in a series of otherwise wonderfully mobile work horses. The x240 now has soldered RAM among other issues. M On 02/03/2015 02:00 PM, freebsd-mobile-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Send freebsd-mobile mailing list submissions to > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-mobile-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-mobile-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-mobile digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Buying a laptop (Joseph Mingrone) > 2. Re: Buying a laptop - used (Ian Smith) > 3. Introduction (R0B_ROD) > 4. Re: Buying a laptop (Kevin Oberman) > 5. Re: Buying a laptop (Adrian Chadd) > 6. Re: Buying a laptop (Joseph Mingrone) > 7. HP 2B19WM PCI-E SD Reader (R0B_ROD) > 8. Re: Introduction (John-Mark Gurney) > 9. Re: Introduction (R0B_ROD) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:32:47 -0400 > From: Joseph Mingrone <jrm@ftfl.ca> > To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Buying a laptop > Message-ID: <86lhkge640.fsf@gly.ftfl.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I also have had mostly positive experience with many Thinkpads. Note I > said Thinkpads and not Lenovos. > > Erich Dollansky <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com> writes: >> I use an Lenovo X220 with 10.1 since nearly three years. > > I also have an X220, running a recent 10-STABLE. Pretty much everything > works including wireless with the Intel Centrino Advanced-N > 6205 and suspend and resume. I haven't figured out how to control the > brightness and there is an annoying BIOS (bug/feature). You can't > legacy boot from a GPT-partitioned disk without UEFI. > > Joseph > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:50:52 +1100 (EST) > From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> > To: parv <parv@pair.com> > Cc: arnab bhowmick <arnabbhowmick111@gmail.com>, > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Buying a laptop - used > Message-ID: <20150202235524.B14398@sola.nimnet.asn.au> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:14:58 -1000, parv wrote: > > in message <20150201154129.J14378@sola.nimnet.asn.au>, > > wrote Ian Smith thusly... > > > > > > > Hi Ian, > > Aloha parv! > > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 04:51:30 -1000, Parv wrote: > > ... > > > > I am currently using a used Lenovo Thinkpad X200 with FreeBSD > > > > 8. I have not tried using or setting at all any suspend-resume > > > > setting. A 9-celll battery ([0], "47++", apparently bought new > > > > about 2-3 years ago along with the 'puter) lasts for 4.5 hours. > > > > > > I bought a used X200 a year ago without AC adaptor or battery, so > > > bought it a new 6-cell battery (47+) and 65W P/S (about AU$150). > > > Using powerd - but not p4tcc or acpi_throttle - it runs almost 6 > > > hours on battery just idling and over 4 hours with moderate use, > > > > Sweet, Ian! Which version of FreeBSD are you running? 8-STABLE is on > > my X200 for now; have been thinking (for a while) to update to > > 10-STABLE. > > Presently 9.3-R sources, GENERIC plus a couple of patches and 9.2-R xorg > and ports; too busy with other projects to update it and it's not broke. > > > > so your 9-cell battery may be getting a bit old, and/or you > > > haven't optimised power usage? > > > > No, I have not used any power related things in FreeBSD itself. I do > > have BIOS setup to maximum performance when connected to AC power; > > optimize battery otherwise. One thing I am not sure is what happens > > when booted up on battery & some time later connect to AC, and vice > > versa. > > Below I'll include a small script that shows what's going on in that > respect. I don't think the BIOS AC/battery performance settings have > any effect at all in FreeBSD, but this script will tell you for sure. > > > In any case I will try powered, and possibly other things. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption is a good place to > start. Alexander goes to extremes - and doubles battery life - but the > big ones are running powerd to only rev up the CPU/s when needed, and > allowing use of C2 and C3 power states, which work reliably on these. > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > acpi_ibm_load="YES" > hint.p4tcc.0.disabled=1 > hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1 > > This allows EST to run the CPUs at 800, 1600, 2400 & '2401' (turbo) MHz, > where CPU power consumption is fairly proportional to frequency. Using > p4tcc or acpi_throttle provides many more rates down to 100MHz, but they > don't reduce power consumption, make powerd work slower and harder while > shuffling frequency, and are removed as defaults from -CURRENT we hear. > > In /etc/rc.conf: > > performance_cx_lowest=C3 # you can use "Cmax" here, same on X200 > economy_cx_lowest=C3 > powerd_enable="YES" > powerd_flags="-a adp -b adp -i 70 -r 90" > > Those powerd settings are you might say 'non-aggressive', only boosting > speed on fairly high demand. Lots of fun tuning these to your workload. > > > > After a problem that affected many/most modern T and X series > > > Lenovos regarding losing external USB ports on resume was resolved > > > last year, suspend and resume work flawlesly; they're really nice > > > little machines. > > > > Good to hear. Would that be suspend-to-RAM? > > Yes, FreeBSD doesn't do suspend to disk (ACPI state S4) unless BIOS > supports it and none do these days, to my knowledge. I haven't done any > real tests, but suspect the X200 would run for a week in S3 suspend (if > you don't charge your mobile from its USB ports while suspended :) > > > > Arnab may not wish to buy anything as old as an X200 (C.2008), > > > > Oh, I remembered later somebody was running FreeBSD 11 on Macbook > > Pro 2011 ... > > > > http://blog.foxkit.us/2015/01/freebsd-on-apple-macbook-pro-82-now.html?spref=tw > > That and its previous episode are really good posts for Mac people > considering FreeBSD. If my daughter would only let me play with hers :) > > These also needed an ACPI fix mostly affecting HP laptops that's just > been committed to 9 & 10 regarding reporting of AC/battery states etc. > > > > but could likely pick up an X210/220/230, or the larger > > > T410/420/430 models at a good price. > > > > Sure. (I am also looking for another one, this time much lighter > > than X200. Is Thinkpad X1 Carbon II any lighter, I wonder.) > > I expect so. And I expect they may work with 9.x and 10.x by now, > there's been some good ACPI and video stuff MFC'd lately I gather. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_X1_Carbon > > Also - though out of date re Lenovo problems having dead USB on resume: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume > > > > Very latest models may still have some issues with video? > > > > Well, somebody had reported success|progress with Intel i915 on > > 11-CURRENT (and somebody else had working suspend-resume with > > "recent HEAD" on X230) ... > > > > https://twitter.com/etnapierala/status/561500382850215936 > > I can't keep track of it at all nowadays .. but I don't think you need > to run -CURRENT except perhaps newest laptops with latest chipsets, and > except perhaps for the latest wireless work, lacking helpers to MFC it. > > cheers, Ian > > Oh yes, scripts; I use this one often: > % cat /root/bin/x200stat > #!/bin/sh > t=" " > echo -n "`date` " > sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq > echo "`sysctl -n dev.cpu.0.cx_usage` $t `sysctl -n vm.loadavg`" > echo "`sysctl -n dev.cpu.1.cx_usage` $t { `sysctl -n kern.eventtimer.timer` }" > sysctl dev.acpi_ibm | egrep 'fan_|thermal' > sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature > sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature > acpiconf -i0 | egrep 'State|Remain|Present|Volt' > > And also added to /etc/devd.conf > > notify 10 { > match "system" "ACPI"; > match "subsystem" "CMBAT"; > action "/root/bin/acpi_cmbat $notify"; > }; > > % cat /root/bin/acpi_cmbat > #!/bin/sh > #% acpi_cmbat 27/6/14 for CMBAT notifies. from /etc/rc.d/power_profile > LOGGER="logger -t acpi_cmbat -p daemon.notice" > notify=$1 > ${LOGGER} "CMBAT notify = $1" > #% 27/10/14 logs at 3%, 20%, 80% and discharging, high & charging states > /root/bin/x200stat >> /root/acpi_cmbat_events.log > echo "CMBAT status: notify = $1" >> /root/acpi_cmbat_events.log > exit 0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:47:38 -0500 > From: R0B_ROD <witchdoctor.mdf@gmail.com> > To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > Subject: Introduction > Message-ID: <54CFB83A.9080106@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello! > I am merging from Arch Linux, which seems that > they copied BSD a lot. :P > I am excited to be here. I have never been on a mailing list. > My goal is to be a developer of any kind some day. > I am always on my laptop since life has dealt me a bad hand. > Maybe I haven't been very responsible. Who knows? > Trying to do better each day. Looking to make life-long friends. > My spirit is still in the 70's although I am only 30 y/o. > I do feel like I was living in the time and still carry the > 'loving-curious-rebel' attitude. Thanks for reading my ramble. > > r0b-r0d@rama-hkr:~ % uname -a > FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401 > Tue Nov 11 21:0249 UTC 2014 > root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > HP 2B19WM : 4GB RAM : AMD64 E-300 1.4GHz : ATI Radeon 6310HD > > -Roberto Rodriguez Jr. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:09:09 -0800 > From: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> > To: Joseph Mingrone <jrm@ftfl.ca> > Cc: "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" <freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org> > Subject: Re: Buying a laptop > Message-ID: > <CAN6yY1sFh9TT=OHjX++eFr58=QFHFLWx_OieQe-ZeJBRfUPwFA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Joseph Mingrone <jrm@ftfl.ca> wrote: > >> I also have had mostly positive experience with many Thinkpads. Note I >> said Thinkpads and not Lenovos. >> >> Erich Dollansky <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com> writes: >>> I use an Lenovo X220 with 10.1 since nearly three years. >> >> I also have an X220, running a recent 10-STABLE. Pretty much everything >> works including wireless with the Intel Centrino Advanced-N >> 6205 and suspend and resume. I haven't figured out how to control the >> brightness and there is an annoying BIOS (bug/feature). You can't >> legacy boot from a GPT-partitioned disk without UEFI. >> >> Joseph > > > Head was recently fixed so that brightness now works fine. The patch > applies cleanly to 10-stable (and 10.1) if you want to try it. My T520 has > had working brightness since. Yes, it works with the Fn+HOME and Fn+END > keys that are marked as brightness up and down on the keyboard. The patch > is to the ACPI code in dev/drm2/i915.intel_opregion.c, though small changes > were made to a couple of other files to enable access to the new code, > > It's in head as r270516 and Adrian has thus far not MFCed to 10-STABLE. If > it works for you, you might let him know that you would like to see it done. > -- > Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:35:37 -0800 > From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> > To: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> > Cc: Joseph Mingrone <jrm@ftfl.ca>, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" > <freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org> > Subject: Re: Buying a laptop > Message-ID: > <CAJ-Vmo=py_y6hySmrPzG7RvAxYysPUq5Rtzj8MSND_ov5EPYmA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Someone else needs to MFC it, sorry :( > > -a > > > On 2 February 2015 at 10:09, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Joseph Mingrone <jrm@ftfl.ca> wrote: >> >>> I also have had mostly positive experience with many Thinkpads. Note I >>> said Thinkpads and not Lenovos. >>> >>> Erich Dollansky <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com> writes: >>>> I use an Lenovo X220 with 10.1 since nearly three years. >>> >>> I also have an X220, running a recent 10-STABLE. Pretty much everything >>> works including wireless with the Intel Centrino Advanced-N >>> 6205 and suspend and resume. I haven't figured out how to control the >>> brightness and there is an annoying BIOS (bug/feature). You can't >>> legacy boot from a GPT-partitioned disk without UEFI. >>> >>> Joseph >> >> >> Head was recently fixed so that brightness now works fine. The patch >> applies cleanly to 10-stable (and 10.1) if you want to try it. My T520 has >> had working brightness since. Yes, it works with the Fn+HOME and Fn+END >> keys that are marked as brightness up and down on the keyboard. The patch >> is to the ACPI code in dev/drm2/i915.intel_opregion.c, though small changes >> were made to a couple of other files to enable access to the new code, >> >> It's in head as r270516 and Adrian has thus far not MFCed to 10-STABLE. If >> it works for you, you might let him know that you would like to see it done. >> -- >> Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired >> E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:38:49 -0400 > From: Joseph Mingrone <jrm@ftfl.ca> > To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> > Cc: "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" <freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org> > Subject: Re: Buying a laptop > Message-ID: <86iofkma4m.fsf@gly.ftfl.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> writes: >> Someone else needs to MFC it, sorry :( > > Who should I pester? > > P.S. Thanks for fixing this and thanks for pointing out the PR Kevin. > > Joseph > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:39:55 -0500 > From: R0B_ROD <witchdoctor.mdf@gmail.com> > To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org > Subject: HP 2B19WM PCI-E SD Reader > Message-ID: <54CFE09B.3060006@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Thank you for the time you took to help. > > According to: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ \ > \ freebsd-current/2013-July/042788.html > \ freebsd-questions/2014-August/259843.html > > % uname -a > FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: > Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014 > root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > amd64 > > Is the Realtek RTS5229 PCI-E SD Card Reader > supported yet??? > > I have these kernel drivers compiled & loaded > mmc > mmcsd > sdhci > > As previous posters have said, > NO dmesg output from inserting SD card; > NO boot output while SD card inserted. > > 8 Hrs of work to get here; now I'm burned out. > > PS: Not very talented at solving problems because > I don't define them properly at the step 1. > -- Michael L. 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